My most frustrating module for bombing is the F-5E. I’ve flown it a lot in the past but I don’t think I ever once managed to hit a target with a bomb, using the method described in the training mission.
I used to teach BCWD and, not knowing anything about the training mission, the hardest part of iron sight bombing is consistency.
If you calculate the error sensitivities, a couple of degrees of dive angle, a couple of knots, or a couple hundred feet of release altitude can completely invalidate your sight accuracy.
Not to mention the wind.
You can do the mental math to compensate (e.g. if steep, drop high or short). But, beyond pretty narrow margins, you were far better off getting good at rolling in consistently, and dropping on speed and on altitude where your sight was accurate.
The F-4 is going to be fun, but I think some work if you want to shack your target.
I might recommned the following videos to help:
The whole 5 part series is good, but these are the main ones. If you start out with an AC that has a CCIP system, it makes it easy to see what errors (and inconsistency) are doing to your bomb drops. Once you get consistent switch over to fixed reticle bombing in that AC, or move to a manual bombing AC.
I’m usually alright with the acronyms but you got me on this one.
Great links! I find finding these manuals online difficult these days.
They are probably firewalling these things now, which is smart, if a bit late perhaps.
Basic Conventional Weapons Delivery
I’m pretty sure “Sidekick” has some good videos on bombing in the F-5E as well. Be sure to check them out.
Here is Air Education and Training Command, Employment Fundamental T-38C/Introduction to Fighter Fundamentals (IFF)
ground attack starts on page 91 of the PDF (page number 89 on the document).
Somewhere I have the Navy version for the T-45, but not having any luck finding it ATM.
For T-45 this place is a gold mine, for obvious reasons lol
I can’t pull up any of those anymore. There also should be a few more, like BCWD, that I don’t see there.
For years I had my old pubs in paper, but those are long gone!
Oh whoa what happened. It’s asking for a Microsoft account log in now. I used to be able to access them. I’m glad I downloaded some of those last year.
I have an MS account for windows etc - can grab something if you want.
*scratch that - the MS account has to be linked to the navy stuff to get to log in
Got all the other stuff though! That could be very useful.
Plus the top one is downloadable and that’s the T-38, so relevant for the F-5 as well, I would think.
Will I get in trouble with Uncle Sam if I host them (probably temporarily) on my Google Drive?
I just found the useful training videos on that site - very good!
Yeah, I think Uncle Sam is trying to plug some very old security holes.
Like I said, smart, but not too timely.
Yeah, I noticed most of the docs on that site now are marked 2023. Everything I’ve got is 2014~2017 timeframe, and none of them have any distribution statements or explicit restrictions written in them. Seems like they’re updating to new material and locking it down.
I think sidekick reads this board: F-5E Bombing Tutorial - YouTube was just released
Are you aware of the “Active Pause” trick for creating your own bombing tables?
You hit active pause, then drop a bomb or fire a rocket or whatever, and then adjust the sight so it is pointing at the position where your munition hit. Note the depression, as well as your altitude, dive angle, and airspeed, and voila! Bombing profile created. Maybe think of weight too, AoA matters.
Flying it consistently is an entirely different matter, but you don’t have to guess and adjust the depression for a profile you fly.
That’s genius! I was going to say that, without the parameters at which the sight angle is accurate, the site is kind of irrelevant.
And most of the sources out there either glaze over that, or achieve it through tribal knowledge.
But, once you know the site angle for a particular dive angle, speed, and release altitude, you can start on working to consistently set those parameters, and have the piper on your aim point.