This story is gaining momentum all over the internet just now.
Never thought much of it, but during lock down and being bored, started to look at various forum storys a little more.
This retired US Naval Aviator I recognise from the Mel Gibson produced Carrier series, apparently his name is David Fravor, he seems convinced in what he saw,. but 25 thousand feet and on the surface stuff … I just dont know what to think about this?
Long video, very interesting though, would love to see more feedback on this from members here.
So it meets the definition. Now - is it aliens? I don’t know man…the enormity of the galaxy and universe…the small slice of time we are here…I really find it hard to believe that all those things intersect. I believe people believe what they see. And sometimes those things defy explanation. I mean, one night I tried to evade the rising moon in a Bonanza because I was sure it was a plane trying to kill me.
Just once I’d love for Bigfoot to stroll across or aliens to land on the lawn of the National Mall, in daylight, with a bunch of tourists with HD cell phone cameras. It’s always night, rain, potato camera, FLIR, being filmed by a guy that drank ten cups of ccccooooofffffeeeeeee.
I haven’t researched any of the above. Everyone on the internet can prove something with enough abstraction and obfuscation (I’m not saying anyone in this story did)…its kind of a depressing state of affairs when you are a data driven person like myself. Even the data gets warped these days.
Indeed the whole UFO = Aliens thing has really sort of ruined the term for it’s typical mundane usage, and even questionable events like the footage that was released is not some glamorous definitive proof.
Had a guy (actually several report it) insist he had traffic at FL380, on a collision course. Won’t go into the details (cuzz it’d be boring) but, he was over SJN (border of NM and AZ) ,Westbound. I’m like, “nothing there…”. Went on for several minutes. Turns out it was an evening launch from Vandenburg, CA. Guy swore it was coming right at him. These were separated by ~450 +/- NM’s.
Fravor : there’s some things are explainable, because I got asked to tell this so,
because we’re kind of, I have a sick sense of humor at times. So like I said I had all these quals [qualification flights] we used to fly, they don’t do it right now because it’s a little bit dangerous, but we used to fly night-vision goggles low altitude in Hornets, all right? So when you put on night-vision goggles they amplify light like a lot.
So you can see a campfire like 50 miles away. So we used to do it, the good spots were down in like, El Centro California there’s a range that, there’s some bombing ranges. But people go camping in the Superstition Mountains which is a kind of north and west of Imperial by, I forget what it is, the springs, it’s real pretty, in a desert it’ll come to me in a minute.
So we even go out at night flying around on goggles and you’d see a campfire and you go: “oh UFO time” and then you get the airplane going about 600 knots and then you pull the power back to idle so you can’t hear it and you get zinging towards the fire. Well you turn the lights are all down because we’re in restricted area so we can do that and there’s lights on it that you can only see if you’re on night-vision goggles.
So the other airplanes can see us but no one else can see us. Then you go zinging at it and then right when you get to the campfire you pull the airplane into the vertical yes stroke the afterburners, you
let them light off, you count to three to pull them off ,and then you just go away. Instant UFO reporting.
[Mimics camper giving a report] “I’m sitting out in the desert it’s all quiet and all of a sudden there’s a [loar?] there’s lights in the sky and they go away and it’s gone.”
Good replies all, obviously I assume this pilot is highly professional, he talks the talk and from what I have seen in Mel Gibsons Carrier Documentary, he can walk the walk too, in fact he hams it up there several times:)
Maybe it is just Gov deliberate obfuscation to test out new high tech hardware … or just maybe it is Aliens I remember the Roswell incident, and initial US Gov statement it was a crashed UFO, that was quickly retracted to a more realistic weather balloon or something.
I subscribe to Beach’s way of thinking, the Universe is massive and possibly we are in a Multi Verse of Universe’s, so anything might be possible, but this whole scenario makes no sense?
So if they had the co-ordinates of why this UFO was loitering above one area of sea, has anyone not had the foresight to see if there was anything under the sea there? Why would ET hover about one area of sea for so long and did it not occur to the US Navy Command to go check out that area, if it were the Ruskies loitering there and they flew off, we can be sure it would be checked out fully, what they were supposedly checking out
None of it makes any sense, they gave location away, have gave so much detailed info, so far, but no plans to explore UFO loiter site?
I smell a rat
I think its fun to consider the wider implications of life in our Universe, also … sure David Fravor is a highly respected US naval Aviator, but its hard to take him seriously in that very long interview, no matter how articulate in conversation he seems … that’s my take so far
He just talks to people or all different backgrounds. It’s more conversation than anything, which also happens to be one of, if not the most popular podcast. I go out of my way to not listen to podcasts, but he’s has interesting people on that I’ll watch/listen from time to time.
I flew into Oshkosh one year and had a Cherokee whiz past me. I could make out the rivets on the airframe he was so close and I know I wasn’t the one at fault here since I was flying instruments at the time, fresh off that particular checkride, and I was still full of that post-test pride, clinging to my assigned altitude. I didn’t even get a warning from the controller.
@Mudcat, you ever check out the hunting and fishing podcast called “MeatEater”? Highly recommended. When I saw Joe Rogan go on a hunt or two with Steve Rinella on Steve’s Netflix show also called “MeatEater”, I thought, “this guy’s pretty cool”. Joe is also an avid bow hunter I think.
Joe also has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. His interviews with Navy Seal Jocko Willink (also a master of Jiu Jitsu) are pretty interesting as is the Jocko Podcast. There’s a lot of cross pollinating going on here. Bottom line, Joe Rogan is pretty insightful and has crazy long conversations with the best of them. Remember when Joe smoked a doob with Elon Musk? (2:09:30) …