Cool, I’ll try again…
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Well, I like big maps and I cannot lie… 
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Found the End of the World:
Seriously though, the mountain ranges in the north are amazing. That’s a solid early access map!
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Ok, color me stupid. Yup, it’s a bigun.
~700 X 800 NM’s! Let’s see, naught divided by naught, times naught at 8 naughts per minute = about 1.6 hours, top to bottom. Nice.
However, no airfields in the southern part. I assume this is coming. Can’t wait.
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They prioritized releasing a map over hotfixing game-breaking bugs for certain modules? All campaigns/missions using the supercarrier are unplayable unless the carrier happens to be pointed north, and the F-16 is a wobbly mess on final approach thanks to an ARI coding goof…
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If the map’s ready before those patches… people who already paid for it have been complaining loudly (yeah, that’s another problem right there 
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That’s not how development works…
Actions speak louder than words.
”Sorry, Iraq map team, but we must wait with releasing your product because the Supercarrier team isn’t finished fixing their bugs”.
Doesn’t make sense, when you look at it that way, does it?
There is usually a schedule to these things and the Iraq map was ready for EA, so out it went…
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Bugs that wouldn’t exist if they had tested properly. And delaying products because of testing and other modules has very much been a reality in the past. I can’t be the only person with a long-term memory here…
Four days after a major patch? This clearly indicates that it wasn’t scheduled, otherwise it would have been released on the 04DEC patch.
What doesn’t make sense is their lack of testing and the recent, frequent cash-grabs (Chinook, Halfghanistan–which was scheduled to have 3 months cycles with the last portion being released in December…where’s that?, FC2024, F-5E “upgrade,” Triraq) that only make sense when looked at from the perspective of them either being tone-deaf to the customers or in financial trouble. Or both.
Benefit of the doubt only works once or twice. After that it’s a repeated pattern.
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What I meant was, Iraq was ready so it was released. The bugfixes were not.
Why fret it? It’s not worth getting upset about.
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What does that even mean in response to my statement? Maps and testing and bugfixing are all made by different groups of people!
You don’t know what’s going on in the testing teams- feel free to put your money were your mouth is and join the close beta test- I’m sure you could help us replicate every bug and directly tell the programmer how to fix it.
EDIT: I’m not saying no one is allowed to criticize ED, oh hell they do have chosen a very precarious business model - but the aimless poking at “Test more-fix more” when it comes to such a complicated conglomerate of code as DCS is helps absolutely zero.
If venting helps you deal with frustration, by all means, wear your keyboard out and enjoy the process but it’s not going to change anything or make your point any more valid.
This guy gets it very nicely- a very decent mix of analysis and conclusions.
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He has a couple more really good videos on the situation:
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As do emotional outbursts of invalidating fallacies and deflections every time someone makes a valid critique. You yourself said it was “no excuse” when the IFLOLS was broken.
The testers either didn’t test even the basics like landing an F-16 or trapping on the carrier with it pointed any direction other than north, or somewhere between the testing and the push something got screwed. If they don’t want so many complaints then maybe they should be transparent about which it is. But ED is so arrogant they won’t listen to the customers nor will they bother with transparency.
We’ve heard the “development teams are separate” claim many times in the past and that was often later revealed to be lies (e.g. Hornet/Viper parallel development) so why should that be trusted?
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@Clutch, when I read your posts I get the feeling you’re taking this very personally. Like ED is trying to ruin their customers lives…
ED is just a company. It’s a business. They make products and sell them. Buy them or don’t buy them, but are they really that much worse than say, Asobo and Microsoft?
If DCS was so bad that some people will have you believe, I wouldn’t touch it. Sure, there are many issues and new ones seem to pop up all the time, but there sure are a lot that’s very good too. I can chose to focus on the good, or the bad.
You do what’s best for you.
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As much as there is wrong with it, DCS right now is the best its ever been. I can’t influence how the thing is, but I can influence how I perceive it and how that affects me.
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Except, if you are talking about what you wrote- it most definitely isn’t valid at all.
Not in this case.
Look, if I didn’t like you I’d shut you off with a snarky response. I definitely don’t want to do that but when you take wild/uneducated guesses (and I don’t mean uneducated as “rude” but in the original meaning of without actual knowledge), and I know what it looks like from the inside, that’s the first response.
This for example- I wish I could explain in details what happens but I cannot.
But thatere’s a LARGE disconnect between : 1- Finding the issue, 2- Recognizing the root cause (cause - not symptoms!), and 3- fixing it.
Just because step 1 is easy that doesn’t mean that 2 and 3 are too.
You have literally no idea what testers go through, or how carefully regressions tests have to be performed. So yeah, be disappointed in bugs but leave what you don’t know out of YOUR emotional outbursts-
And stuff like this
is so nonsensical that most everyone would stop listening to you - then and there.
And this? WTH? You have no idea. This is the equivalent of sustaining the Geocentric theory just because you “obviously” see the sun rotating around the earth.
The existence of bugs =/= not tested.
You okay with a patch every 2 years?
Educated criticism is okay- clueless isnt.
How is someone supposed to take this? Pointless…
ED is not perfect and there’s a lot to be said about the business model, but barking at testers gets you ignored at the speed of light.
EDIT: And just in case it wasn’t clear/I didn’t brag about enough I am a closed beta tester.
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@Clutch I share your frustration. I agree with you that the half finished influx of new products are looking more and more like cash grabs and less as a strategy to making DCS better as a product.
I’m holding off my purchases from ED for the first time since I started DCS. They have the right to do whatever, but IMO they are working on a ton of paid add-ons that are not adding value to my experience, so I refrain from spending my money until they do. It’s obvious that, in this economy, people will get increasingly tired of spending money and not seeing value in it and if so ED will have to adapt. The time everything takes does make it frustrating, but that’s it. It is up to us to enjoy it for what it is, even if big picture, it has been pretty much the same for years.
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I can confirm that many people from the community are spending a lot of time with closed beta testing. We always know when something big is about to drop by how little time the beta testers in our squadron spend flying with us.
As for the carrier bugs, yes it’s frustrating, but yesterday nineline stated on the discord that the carrier fix isn’t easy, otherwise they would have pushed it out alongside the map. Last I heard ED are hoping to deploy a hotfix asap (according to nineline on discord).
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