I don’t have 19 minutes atm. Is it possible to restate his conclusion(s) here?
I tried, but had to give up after about 5 min. So far just a bunch of ”I’m saying but I’m not saying”.
Typical youtuber expert.
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It’s sad that goobers like that get so much traction.
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For all I know he could know what he was talking about, but in the end he doesn’t have any other info than the rest of us. My problem with youtubers filming themselvs talking, is the delivery…
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No, I hear ya. It is a terrible medium for opinion. And an amazing medium for “Here’s how you fox your broken dryer.” I NEVER watch videos of the former type posted on Mudspike.
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Except no one ever calls them opinions. They use any other name but that.
Actually, let me start a thread about that.
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I love YouTube for low impact, low stakes stuff.
Gaming. Videos of tanks, people trying to teach by showing (rebuilding cars or stuff similar)
But this sort of conjecture without fact i find quite disingenuous for people.
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@smokinhole and @Troll , your disapproval intrigued me. I tend to dislike video for anything but instructional content but had a watch (at 1.3x speed of course, I can’t watch most video content at original speed without getting terribly bored because it is so much slower than reading)
As you all know I am not a pilot, I don’t even work in aviation, but I’ve heard a lot of expert opinions on this crash from you as well as from family and contacts who do work in aviation and aviation safety.
I may be an insensitive
, but IMO the video covers 100% of hazards, common risks, and potentially relevant context that I’ve heard from experts, and then some, while constantly emphasizing the caveats of what we don’t know, adding nuance (8x bird strike risk but still not very high), etc.
I honestly don’t know how this information could have been shared with the public in an even less provocative way.
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@Freak, the title “What No One Is Saying…” It’s provocative without being informative. Look, I get it. I started this thread and have now written thousands of words on this subject—all conjecture mixed with a smattering of opinion. The advantage that the reader has over the viewer is the ability to scan, skip, delve deeper, inquire and ignore. YouTubers just talk and talk until there’s enough there to tickle the algorithm. At the beginning you don’t know where they are going because the rarely offer any detail until many minutes into the spot. The viewer is stuck, watching and watching, hoping that the original promise of information “You’ll only get here” will be met. And it rarely is.
Ugg. I watched it. 19 minutes I’ll never get back. Most importantly there is no “What No One Else Is Saying”. That’s key. Because it highlights the clickbate intent. Everything he is saying is what EVERYONE is saying! None of it is news. He makes us wait until minute 19 to drop the big secret. What is it? That MAYBE the left engine was not producing power—either because it was trashed by a bird or mistakenly idled or shutdown by the crew. We waited 19 minutes for that? @BeachAV8R posed that scenario as a one of many possibilities four days ago.
I do regret one thing. I called him a “goober”. I threw out that insult because of the tagline used in the video. At that point I hadn’t watched. Turns out he’s from the south. (As am I). “Goober” is a particularly grating thing to be called when one is from the south. So for that I am sorry.
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Ahh yeah, that’s right, the title is complete clickbait garbage.
I understand you now. Thank you! Tbh I filtered it out and forgot the title basically immediately. That’s how jaded I am wrt clickbait titles. An unfortunate youtubism indeed!
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This is the point I was getting at earlier. Everybody’s an expert, these days.
First, nobody has got to feel the same as I do.
My issue with this is first and foremost, the delivery. I just can’t stand looking at a youtuber face reiterating what we already know, throwing in conjecture as he sees fit. That’s me. That’s my problem. Others may see this youtuber as a great source of info. I don’t. That’s perfectly ok.
As @smokinhole did, I too reacted to the clickbait title. Then the video started with ”this accident should never have happened” No 
? 
What accidents should…?
He states that Jeju has an excellent safety record. Well, as anybody who knows anything about safety, past performance is not indicative of future results.
Then he brought up Korean 801 and said it was a failure of the crew to correct the captain because of a culture where the captain is always right. Actually I’m glad he did, because it highlights how differently this youtuber and I view these matters… If the crew won’t address safety critical issues because their culture won’t allow them to, the ”failure” isn’t with the crew. You need to zoom out and look at the bigger picture and say that as was typical for the culture in which this airline operated, the crew didn’t address safety critical issues. The crew only did what was expected of them… I mean, you could just as well say that the airplane crashed because the crew didn’t develop superhuman powers. And why bring up Korean 801? We don’t know that anything remotely resembling these issues was a factor in the Jeju crash, do we? No we don’t. Yes, the youtuber says that too. Ok, then why did he even mention it?
So, what I see in the video is basically a bunch of fluff, delivered by a face, with a hat… 
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But wouldn’t you guys say that the title, “What no one else is saying” is replete with conspiracy theory, similar to asking a question in a video title, like “Did aliens steal the Titan submersible?”
“What no one else is saying” implies that either the video creator’s data stream is better than everyone else’s, or that they have a more intuitive take. IMHO, they don’t get that street cred unless they have a proven track record.
Not everyone is a fearless aviation frog
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I look at these videos in a kind of “meh” neutral way. Sometimes they can bring together the reported events in a nice way that at least allows me to see what everyone is talking about…but I just swallow hard at the delivery and conspiracies and sometimes misguided opinions and just sort out the facts as they are presented by filtering out the commentary. Sort of like the news these days…broadly speaking.
I mean…I credit them for doing the heavy lifting of compiling clips…drawing graphics…showing maps…all of that good stuff. Conclusions and theories can sometimes be spot on. Sometimes they can be click-baity…yeah… So I’m sort of neutral on them. I don’t love them. Don’t hate them. And some are just plain entertaining (like the ones about that douchebag that jumped out of his airplane)…
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Did they…? 
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He did his time took the tests again and is out flying in the friendly skies with Y’all these days.
Wheels
One can only hope he learned something from the experience…
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We can’t rule it out. “They are saying” the pieces they recovered are counterfeits. 
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Some new information (if you can stand the YouTubiness):
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