yup, thats why I will hold my horses for now and wait how this all will end.
maybe its just me, but I was maybe in market for module or two, but I can wait …
I’d have to check my log book in DCS but I’m quiet sure I’ve gotten more than my monies worth. I payed $60 something for CoD one year and it had an 8 hour campaign. I know that a lot of people feel upset about not receiving features they were promised, the module going away, etc. I’m just amazed I get to pretend to be a fast jet pilot in my recliner in my living room with a degree of fidelity that is science fiction compared to where we started with Janes or similar. If I paid $60 something each to rent probably the most realistic civilian available simulation of the Harrier or SE for a few years then so be it.
I know I’m definitely in the minority, but just expressing my feelings.
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This is the only part we’re “in the dark about,” as others are mentioning.
It is possible to be both. Reality isn’t zero-sum, but discussions online always seem to operate under the paradigm that it is.
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Whoever manages to use so perfectly “zero-sum” and “paradigm” in a sentence deserves all of my respect.
Agree on the whole line.
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I was honestly worried I wasn’t using “paradigm” correctly 
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Are ED and RB still trying to workout their dispute? If not and seeing that the RB modules are being more and more unusable shouldn’t ED remove them from their store?
Also all of RB modules have dlls that trigger the AV protection - what’s up with that? Aren’t they whitelisting their files? Do you need source code for this and that’s why it’s happening?
This whole affair is making a lot of stink and can end up hurting ED in the long run. I hope they would come to an agreement as I was looking forward for the fleshing out of the Strike Eagle.
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It could maybe be because of the potential timebomb code, but it could also be unrelated: the I-16 flight model also triggers the AV, I whitelisted the DCS directory in my antivirus long ago.
As for selling Razbam modules, in legal disputes like this you have to be very careful. ED seems afraid that removing Razbam modules from the store could put them at fault towards Razbam. Also, we should expect the finished modules (M-2000C, MiG-19, AV-8B) to keep working, whatever happens, thanks to escrow. ED is offering refunds on the Strike Eagle.
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Whitelisting the whole game folder is not a good idea. It makes you vulnerable for targeted attacks (hacker could look for potentially whitelisted folders on your machine to execute malicious code from within). Usually it’s the developer who should submit their false positive to the microsoft for analisys I believe so they can be automatically whitelisted in their database (don’t quote me on that though).
Providing refunds on Strike Eagle while keeping it in store is a bit strange. It’s like they don’t know if they are able to support it or not in the future.
edit: I think this is a link where you can submit your files:
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And how HB’s earlier trouble with ED tie into this, as it could be a totally different issue.
We also don’t know what’s being done about the situation. If the parties are in litigation, it could take a long time for it to be settled and they would both be adviced by their solicitors to keep quiet about it.
So, unfortunately, people are making assumptions out of scattered pieces of information and this creates a rumor mill, which helps nobody.
And it usually leads to heated debates because someones assumptions doesn’t agree with someone elses assumptions, and there we go…
This is simply what I try to avoid here.
I hope you all are ok with this.
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I am going to try to select a bunch of posts from the original thread and break them out on their own, to keep the main thread a little clearer and on point.
This is not an indication, or acknowledgement, that I think that this topic needs more activity, discussion or speculation.
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Although I’d hate to lose both the Mudhen and Harrier, I have enough modules to keep me heads down for a very long time. But losing the South Atlantic map would hurt. I noticed that the next patch will have some updates for SA. Does this mean that the terrain would be unaffected by a lack of dispute resolution?
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I will miss the Harrier and the Mirage 2K. Both are beautiful, quirky, overrated and hard to maintain. Just like me! (minus the beautiful). I won’t miss Argentina because I never owned it. But honestly I don’t think any of this is going away. Losing the jet trainer years ago was a big hit against ED, even though it wasn’t their fault necessarily. Losing (or even failing to continue support for) Razbam’s very popular family of modules will spell death for DCS. I do not believe that is hyperbole. Customers buy everything from the ED storefront. ED is the seller and maintainer of every aspect of their digital world. Any loss is 100% on them in the eyes of most of their customers. The loss of a paid-for module is a total loss of faith. As a customer since 1995 I feel pretty certain that they know the deal: support what you sell.
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This, this and this again… I read posts on several communities and yes there are many reasonable and deeply devoted people calling for patience but the problem is the majority of the user base does not dig that deep. ED has allowed us to be the virtual pilots many of us have dreamed of being but we seem to forget that there has been plenty of bumps along the way.
No, I don’t think so at all. A bad blow sure, but death of DCS?
C’mon…
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One thing is for sure, ED needs to have the source code for every module that is approved for sale, and the right to take over development in a scenario where the 3rd party dev is unwilling or unable to continue support. No source code…no sale. As for who is in the right or wrong, I don’t think we need to be involved in what takes place between the two parties and I think it was unnecessary for Razbam to air their grievances out in public.
If the F15E dies I won’t lose any sleep over it. I have only flown it for a few hours. I would miss the Harrier and Mirage 2000C a lot more.
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You might be right to be skeptical. It’s academic anyway. It will not happen. ED will continue to sell, maintain and support those products because they know that there is a non-zero chance that I am right.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I have never expected the modules to be updated forever. But maybe ED et. al. should put an end date on module support. Like free updates for 2.xx or what ever…
Making modules for an ever evolving sim like DCS must be hard. It’s like the finish line is moving further away from you as you run towards it.
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I think @Troll hits the nail on the head. ED probably should have been (or needs to start being) more explicit about the fact that no module will live forever. How many modules were released for FSX and even currently for MSFS that where never fully completed, or that stopped being supported. I’d hazard a lot, a whole lot. No one came into the FS space expecting modules to last forever because prior to FSX, MS released a new version of FS every few years.