Thanks - can’t take much credit, though. I did watch a lot of videos and read some reviews on sites like Tom’s Hardware.
As far as graphics cards go, it would depend on budget, really. If money is not the issue then the 4000 series is the way to go, and as high up as you can (I have a 4080 which blew away my previous 2080Ti ). Many still say the higher 3000 series are plenty and they have become cheaper, but you may need to look around.
Although the 4080 is far better than that 2080Ti, the latter still did a good job, just nowhere near as good as the newer card. I would still say that nVidia is the way to go with graphics. I’ve not used an ATi/AMD since the HD4870 and I have no allegiance, just always thought green were better since then.
I’m hoping this new combination will last me a good few years now. That’s what I told Mrs anyway!
Thanks Johnny, much appreciated. I’ll start my research based on your suggestions.
This will be my first AMD machine and looking forward to it.
I have not put a computer together since pentium 1, yikes
Is invaluable for putting together a parts list and checking compatibility.
Is where I go for benchmarking various components (CPUs/GPUs) against each other.
Without those two tools, I’d be lost anymore. Even though I was huge into PCs in the 90’s and 2000’s and worked corporate IT for a few years putting myself through college and considered myself an expert. How things change in only a couple decades!
userbenchmark is very bad. It is not good. Do not base your decisions on it. It has been debunked time after time. It looks like an unbiased comparison thing, but it isn’t. Most of its data is BS. So. Be warned.
I’m helping a friend spec out a PC build with the sole purpose of running DCS and X-Plane (possibly MSFS) in VR for a quasi-FTD build out of an aircraft cockpit. (Can’t give any more detail than that right now, but he’s associated with a museum). The budget is about $4K USD; $1000 of that is being eaten up by the VR headset.
I’ve got two saved parts lists; one based on the 5800X3D, the other on the 7800X3D.
The dude who runs it probably has some serious mental health problems, it’s the only explanation I have at this point (I am speculating of course but I am not joking, the dude has problems)
He altered the scoring after Ryzen was first released to slightly favour intel but it wasn’t egregious and his take on first gen Ryzen was pretty reasonable at the time. However the more competitive AMD became with following Ryzen generations the more he altered the scoring to favour intel, resulting in stuff like an i5 10400F ranking higher than even the fastest Threadripper CPUs, not to mention higher than 5950X, 5900X and even the 5800X3D, a CPU that was hands down the best gaming CPU when it was first released and still holds its own against newer and more expensive CPUs (in games). As a result, userbenchmark is banned in most big tech forums, even intel specific forums.
There are some good (and funny) videos on YouTube if you want to learn more about the history of userbenchmark
Thanks for the education. I’ll skip the youtube rabbit hole at least for now (have enough drama lol), but stop recommending that site as a resource for others. Appreciate it.
I’ve relied on Tom’s Hardware forever, so I guess I’ll go there. Thanks again!
First, you picked the “luxury” motherboard chipset with more PCI lanes for the newer platform. The B650 is more comparable to B550. This is just an example of a B650 motherboard that has more than you’d need. Feel free to select a different one if it suits your needs better in terms of PCI slots and price.
To answer your question: The newer CPU performs about 15% better in games, on average. Source
Is 15% CPU gaming performance worth $200?
Should I push for an increase in budget, or go with the 58?
The other reason to go with the newer platform is upgradability / future-proofing.
Mainly the next CPU generation (i.e. 9800X3D), but also in terms of USB slots, M.2 slots, etc. The B650 has more.
It’s too much to go over all the differences, but just comparing the storage (this is not on pcpartpicker, not in enough detail so I am, again, using tweakers.net as a source. Sorry, use Google Translate)
I’m sorry for all the English-speaking folk. I would love to link you to a site in your native language instead, but there is nothing that does what Tweakers does, not on the same scale.
Detailed and relevant tests of everything. For example, cases are compared by temperature at fixed sound level, instead of just saying “quiet” or “cool”, so you can actually compare which is better.
A “best buy” guide every month, meaning there is always a relevant re-test with the latest driver of all available CPUs, GPUs, SSDs, etc.
And because they have a price tracker + stats DB in the “pricewatch”, they can also provide price/performance charts of these fresh tests.
There’s also a highly configurable “order optimization” utility that can tell you which parts to order from which store to minimize total cost for a build, including shipping cost.
And then there’s the excellent marketplace. It far surpasses anything else, gaving a reputation system a good decade before other marketplace sites caught on. I have never been scammed on tweakers and only rarely have I had negative experiences there.
Yeah, the price difference between the two CPUs is only about $45 USD. But the associated MB and RAM drive the price up the rest of the way. @Freak helped me save a bit by picking a more cost-effective MB, so the actual difference in cost comes down to about $200. Probably worth it on a new build, for the reasons he stated above.
I hadn’t heard that before. Thanks for the advice; do you have another website that serves a similar purpose that you recommend instead?