Horrible news from Ahmedabad, India.
A Dreamliner crashed right after takeoff.
242 souls on board plus unknown collateral.
May they rest in peace.
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shocking news
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Oh no. Those poor dear people.
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1 surviving passenger
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Jesus, I can’t imagine what that would be like.
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that is so horrible - has anybody heard what might have happened?
I know it won’t be for a while till the answer is known for sure, but sometimes there are reports of a bird strike, or tower communications that might give a clue (like engine failure or something?)
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WTH makes a Dreamliner go down like that? Looks like they are losing thrust…? And just after takeoff.
It looks like a loss of thrust, to my eye at least. Another possibility is poorly secured stowage which triggered a drastic shift in the CG.
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No flaps deployed for takeoff (seems like it from the video)?
I thought so as well… Reports here are also saying that the pilot issued a mayday saying he had lost power/thrust.
Terrible tragedy and I hope the get to the bottom of it quickly for the sake of the families involved.
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Post-crash images of the wing show flaps deployed. Poor video quality plus the low-profile design of 787 flaps is leading people to speculate they weren’t deployed. There’s some talk about the RAT being deployed, but the only two pieces of evidence I’ve seen so far is a) sound, b) grainy footage that also calls into question how accurately we can judge flap position. There’s also talk about the survivor being one of the building tenants and not a passenger. I honestly don’t trust much of the info out of India so speculation all around.
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I have no idea, but for the flap speculation, wouldn’t an aircraft as new as a 787 have some sort of monitor and alarms if the throttles were advanced while being out of takeoff configuration?
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Even the Challenger will shout at you if you are not configured correctly…plus a red CAS message. The 787 is a far newer and more advanced aircraft. I kind of doubt the flaps were up for the takeoff.
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I do too, but we don’t know what kind of system malfunction they may have MEL released and departed with.
The fact that the 73 Max had a dodgy stall prevention system (MCAS) and this 87 sure seems to be mushing through a stall, gives me pause…
It’s probably not fair of me to say so, but considering their recent track record, I can’t help but wonder what Boeing have overlooked this time around.
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Of the two angles I saw in videos, the only information I have is:
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The engines did not sound anywhere near what I would expect for takeoff/climb power; they sounded almost idle or slightly above.
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The takeoff roll appeared quite slow, and possibly close to the end of the runway given the dust cloud kicked up by the enginges. OAT that day was around 40C and there were accounts of them taking off mid-field-ish instead of taxiing all the way to the end of the runway.
There is no way that they began the takeoff without a flap setting that satisfied the Takeoff Config system. Now whether or not that flap setting was the same called for by the runway performance data is a question for a future date. The survivor was on the manifest as seated at 11A. He described a “bang” followed by a descent and crash. A 9 hour flight means the plane was well under max gross. So a single engine climb should be fairly robust.
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Not unusual for the 787. It’s pretty quiet. Rotation close to the end is also common as most airlines use runway data that (conditions permitting) use all the runway to save wear/tear/fuel burn.
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That may have been a rumor started by the Flightradar plot which appears to show a midfield takeoff. I imagine it’s a data thing. They would never do that on such a hot day. It’s just not possible.
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Could it have been a software glitch in the FADEC that cut power?
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