Civil Aviation Ministry of Information thread

The Statute of Limitations may be expired on this old article I wrote about it (12 years ago!)…so maybe I can post it here. It isn’t quite the whole story…but it tells enough of it. I’ll also try to find the photos of the torn apart engine as well…

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That was an intense read. Thanks very much for posting it mate.
One question. We’re the medics ok? Not to shaken up after landing I hope. I’m sure they are utterly professional but it must make you twitch a bit at loud noises for a day or two after

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Those medics/flight nurses also fly in the chopper. They have (insert crude anatomy)’s of steel.

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Yeah…I’ll never forget the glow of the fire lighting up their faces when I turned around to tell them to buckle up. They were sitting on the bench seat that had a great view of the show. To their credit…they got back on a second company King Air that was sent from Charlotte to pick us all up a few hours later.

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Only if the thrust difference gets over 6000 pounds though IIRC… But that is kinda of a given if you blow up a single engine :wink:

How much experience do you have on the triple, Smokin?

None! 737/757/767 and A320. 787 is likely next if the airline survives.

Well…we do get the advantage of rudder boost. There is a magic box in the back the detects delta P and when it senses a bit difference the pneumatic system aids the rudder with a bit of pressure. It isn’t a huge difference…but it is a nice bit of tactile feedback on which rudder you should be pressing. No auto rudder trim though…and the King Air does require quite a bit more rudder on an engine failure than the Citation for sure. I’ll be those big fan transport category airplanes would be a handful without some assists…

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A faint refrain from the past…

“Identify top four gauges. Verify top four gauges.” and “AC dies. AC lies.” You never forget that stuff.

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I read this thread and I’m glad I’m not a pilot in RL.
I just know I couldn’t.

Kudos to you all guys. Kudos to no end.

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I think you have exactly the right attitude and personality to be a great pilot.

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Hahahah I wish, the real problem is the mind and the guts.

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I agree. I’ll say something so clichèd that the truth of it has been lost. Driving is FAR more dangerous. Riding a motorcycle is several orders of magnitude worse. When people who do not fly attempt to imagine inflight emergencies, their imaginations are incapable of considering the training involved. @BeachAV8R’s training even moreso than his experience equipped him to start that eventful day with confidence and handle the emergency capably. Same goes for the 777 crew.

Sitting here on my couch I am getting a cold sweat trying to imagine backing an 18 wheeler (lorry) into a loading dock. How does anyone do that? I don’t know. I CAN’T know. I haven’t been trained.

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I genuinely find riding my motorcycle to be far more taxing than flying ever has been.

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I find it weirdly relaxing, to me it drags me into the moment, no time to worry about life when you are cutting corners, shifting balance, listening to the engine, feeling the chattering of the wheels and suspension and deciding on how you are going to approach the next stretch of road. Add in a healthy amount of traffic and weather conditions plus some lovely music on your headset and life’s good when you are on two wheels!

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This all to me (all the people involved, not just the trucking) sounds like professionals who enjoy their job. Which is awesome to no end!

I just don´t feel I have any of the mental prowess to actually fly other people in real life.

Videogames? Don´t even mention it, I can fly ANYTHING!
Real life? Eerrrrr, no thanks. But I can be your ballast any day of the week!

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Haha…I have exactly the same nightmare scenario running through my mind whenever I see a guy in front of me start that delicate process. We live on a small offshoot exit off the major highway Interstate 85 out here west of Charlotte. Between our house and the highway are a half a dozen freight forwarding operations and terminals…so we have tons of trucks on our roads. Whenever I see one out on the secondary road backing into a facility…I’m amazed because all the other drivers (both automobile and truck drivers) are sitting there in impatient judgment. LOL…that is too much pressure for me!

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Meh it’s same as anything. Starts off difficult. Over time becomes easy and after an eternity I barely need to put my book down :rofl:

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It’s like that with any skill!

Truck drivers still look like wizards sometimes. :smiley:

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Excellent writeup, Beach. Thanks for sharing! You have an awesome gift as an aviation writer.

Training engine-out in the King Air (after rotation, company I used to fly for did them in the aircraft) vs doing V1 cuts in the Citations, I remember being amazed how much busier I was in the 200’s. In any Citation model it just feels like a non-event; feed the rudder in and track centerline and nothing else changes. I joke that in a jet you can finish your coffee before you have to do anything.

In a turbine, not so much… And don’t get me started on piston light twins!