DCS/ED's new marketing initiative, maybe

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The point is these people will be perpetually upset. That isn’t to mean they should be tolerated at all times, regardless of how petulant they get; you give them enough rope to hang themselves so when they do inevitably run off to some other place to complain about censorship or what have you, there’s a clear record of their pattern of behavior. This makes them appear as the clearly unreasonable people they are, especially if those in charge of moderation are very polite and even handed. In other words, don’t wrestle in the mud if you don’t want to get dirty.

And sometimes they do have a point. It’s just usually shrouded in anger so it’s hard to filter out.

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I think mike has a point. Look at what happened to elite dangerous and their forum. Its frackin awful.

We, as a culture, need to get over this echo chamber bovine excrement asap, but that’s veering into p&r and we don’t do that here for good reason.

One of the things that sets this place apart, and that may hint at what might fix the negative echo chamber problem in other places, is discipline. We dont even use the F word in here. It seems trivial, but it works. I think it does.

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Fork yes it does. Mudspike is a true haven on the internet. I like to think of it as, “The Good Place”.

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You did watch more than one episode of that, or didn’t you? because spoiler alert: it isn’t.

Also, you read me on another forum, you know I like to get political, irreverent, pottymouthed and referencing all kinds of bad, bad stuff. Leaving that at the door when I check in at the spike helps me stay conscious of what I wrote, proofread it again for a second time before clicking that big ol’ reply button. If only for the technicality of it, but I like to think its more than that.

So here’s to @admin for creating “the good place” on the internet. :beers: You guys did this, by setting a great example and by having a couple simple rules and sticking to 'em.

I hope @NineLine is trying to do the same at the zoo, and I for one am rooting like mad for him and his boys to succeed at it. I’m posting at it, and doing so in the best mudspike citizen fashion I can. Every little bit helps.

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The place largely runs itself with regards to the forum content. Like people attract like people…and we have a good bunch here. I like to think if I ever began to hate a sim or any software, I’d walk away from it before it got me bothered enough to spend hours crafting arguments against it. There are so many things in life to enjoy, wasting time on internet rage is not high on my list of things to do with the time I’m given.

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On season 2 now. So so good.

And yes, that’s part of the joke.

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In sort of that vein (of walking away from stuff)…I peeked in on the CAP2 forum today to see on progress on that. Slow progress…I’m not optimistic but maybe it will surprise me someday with gameplay and then I’ll dive in. For all its warts, everything I’ve bought for DCS World has worked well enough to enjoy it…and given the missions and world and online play, I can pretty much find something to do with anything even if it isn’t great. Heck, I would still fly the Hawk if it were in the game if I could cold start it, drop some bombs, and scurry home. I’m a really easy simmer to satisfy.

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Me the same. I don’t have too much of my persona invested in this. If it’s fun, I’m game, no matter what future state may or may not be attained. If it’s not fun, I move on without much of a backwards glance.

I learned awhile ago not to invest tons of money unless I’m 95% sure it will be fun. Lot’s of research and patience. Best thing about that: When not simming, I’m hitting my 2015-16 backlog. I’ve got a 2070 RTX and everything is just screaming max detail in 4k. Four year old games are also dang cheap.

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Cool thread :slight_smile:

As we simmers are an excitable bunch, I think the onus is on DCS/ED to manage our (very) high expectations. Just keep us better informed. If you lay a turd, let us know. I can handle what I’m prepared for. We’re all reasonably mature around here.

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Funny. For me it’s quite the opposite, but for the second part of the proposition I completely agree. Simulating air combat is what I do. It’s my first love in martial arts, and my most enduring one. It’s also a martial art you can shamelessly drink beer while training.

But to me it’s as serious a part of who and what I am as karate is to a karateka or boxing to a boxer. I live and breathe this stuff. Have done so since I could read well enough to understand a manual.

Am I any good at it? nah. not really. Am I so knowledgeable I feel entitled people they are wrong? nah. not really. Does being so invested into the hobby grant me any other rights than any other customer of the companies who make my stuff? not really.

I am so happy with the current state of flight simming. Blasting a quick messerschmitt or two before sleep in motherlovin’ VR through a double layer of clouds over terrain that goes on for hundreds of kilometers! I’m in gorram heaven man! why should I give a pish about a rivet or two being wrong or a radar mode being late in ripening?

Back in the days when BMS was coalescing and TrackIR was the height of immersive technology, I jumped off the wagon. It was no longer fun for me. The endless bickering, the lack of true progress (new things!). It just died for me. Only when VR came on the scene did I make it back in.

Heh, guess I should look into getting some sparring with live partners in. I have been running kata & hitting the sack far too long :wink:

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I need about… $3.50.

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Is that a “threefiddy” joke? :laughing:

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We’ve attempted this…I ended up feeling like a bright orange target drone. Your kata ia strong!

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Actually, nothing has changed. I remember the release of Falcon 3.0 quite clearly. Dec 7, 1991. Easy date to remember for obvious reasons. :slight_smile:
The Falcon forum on Prodigy was one of the few places that existed that people could talk about it. There was usenet, but that was fairly niche, and Compuserve, but that cost $$ at pay-per-hour. So a lot of people went to Prodigy. We all stayed until it went pay-per-hour in 1993 I think. 94?

The vitriol there was ridiculous. That game did have some legit big issues, like the 5.25" disk version did NOT install. If you bought the 3.5" disk you were fine, but the 5.25" was busted. Of course, the game itself had bugs little and large.

I learned then that many people just don’t get it when it comes to posting online. While some of us use the nuances in language to try to convey our feelings accurately, others have the subtlety of a sledgehammer on a Lego set. There was one guy there named Tim, I don’t recall his last name, but he would regularly post these Denis Leary-style rants, except they weren’t humorous to anyone, just nasty.

I met him a couple of years later in Las Vegas at the Fal-Con the forum held. He was the most soft-spoken, timid, doughy, unassuming person you could meet. There was zero correlation between his IRL persona and how he acted online.

Bring up the issues in F3 and he would talk calmly about how SH needed to address this or that problem because it was causing a domino effect with others and such.
Yet in the P* forum the way he posted would make you think he was frothing at the mouth, hateful, irrational…

He just never understood the concept of a mic drop. He wasn’t going to make his point and move on. He was going to make it in every thread, in every post he put up, every day, because he apparently believed that was the only way to be heard. Flood the forum with his complaints. It was like he both didn’t see his online behavior as wrong, because it was virtual I guess, and he also didn’t comprehend how he came across to others. Without the visual and auditory feedback, he just screamed into a void and hoped it came out as a whisper.

Today there are even more people on the internet than there even were with PC’s back in 1991. The average intelligence of that online population is obviously lower as generally the stupid weren’t paying $3k for a PC in 1991 just to bleat online. Today you can get a cellphone or even a cheap PC for $200 and let rip. So if the averaged more intelligent online population in 1991 was not all well behaved than there is no doubt in 2019 it wouldn’t be any better. It’s still about 10% of the people, but now 10% is like 10 million people instead of a few hundred.

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Haha…that’s a blast from the past. I remember that guy. Is he the guy that used the odd formatting too like // This is why the NWS button should be colored red. //

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Haha remember this dude named Kurt Plummer on the old HQ? He would also do that weird formatting as well as a tremendous impression of asperger’s syndrome and the appearance of detailed knowledge of things like avionics and ECM. He was great. And reviled. People would bait and troll the poor guy and he’d always bite.

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I spent more time on dial up BBS sites discussing and trying to build the perfect boot disk for Falcon 3.0 than I Did flying it.

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Sure, I’m right there with you (well maybe a half klick behind) when it comes to air combat simulation in general. I guess I meant more investing persona into a particular game. You have your fanboys and haters who put all their focus on one thing. The fanboys I sort of understand (although blinders are limiting), but not so much the disrespectful vocal haters. If they aren’t having fun, then why all the extra energy? Unless of course that is their fun.

… in which case they can take a flying fork at a rolling donut and the sooner they are banned from any site the better. If a site supports disrespect and claims it is “a balanced critical view”, then that site is no longer visited by me. Sadly, some of the oldest sim sites on the internet have fallen to this level.

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