Coal miners are raving about the new Tesla! 
It had better. Because I said it was in the next issue of PC Pilot. Color me a liar.
Yeah. Good point. I’ve definitely done more investing than consuming of DCS products though (stares at that list of unflown modules…)
Yes…! Yes!! They could even rebrand it away from DCS and MAC…maybe something catchy and cool and…like well… FIGHTER OPS! That has a ring to it…
Sort of like when I decide not to post something here and go to delete it…
“You want to abandon this? You want to just turn your back…and walk away on those thoughts that poured from your fingers onto the digital page? Did you have that little faith in your prose that you can’t be a man and hit reply?”
You can join me and @keets in PGA2K21 - I gotta fire up a new event tomorrow. Thing is…the vistas and long par fives make you think of bush flying and the mountains of flying through there in an F/A-18 (cough…Viggen I guess)… And the trees…they are full of Arma troops…
I’ve been throwing money at ED since the Flanker series so I have a right to ■■■■■, but won’t.
You have to realize the commercial segment of ED’s business (us) is not their main source of income. We (flight simmers) get the left-overs (which, btw, ain’t too bad).
You ■■■■ and moan about half-baked releases (I do too), well then give your money to the competition.
Oops, there ain’t none…
Always had an affection for military aviation, jets in particular. So actually I’m pretty happy. I have Falcon4 BMS, and DCS modules. And yes, both surprise and disappoint, but better than just remembering how much fun EF2000, and Jane’s sims were…
I completely agree that I already have a number of modules that I’ve paid for and likely won’t learn, so my future purchases will be limited to aircraft that I’m excited enough to go down the rabbit hole again over.
The Hornet is my one true love, and the only aircraft that I can honestly claim to “know”. I can fly and fight in the Viper, and I can comfortably fly but not fight the Tomcat.
I do plan to purchase a helicopter at some point, I’m just undecided as to which.
I was thinking more of fresh hay and oats once a day, but I can do a beer as well - final offer 
Like I mentioned to @Troll, I don’t see the alternative to ‘If you don’t want EA then just don’t do it’ but more a spectrum of valid opinions on what EA access should be. As you said, for ED itself it has been a moving target over time, so it’s not a static thing, and is obviously hard to get right - it can evolve.
If I can’t feel like even saying ‘release more for existing EA stuff before releasing new modules’ is religiously not tolerated by scarf wearers 
then the alternative is you just won’t get any feedback from me at all. If the only feedback you then get is from people that would literally donate money out of pure goodwill then it’s more a cult than a product management feedback loop. The origin story for koolaid didn’t work out great. I guess what I’m trying to say is feedback is nearly always good for a product, even if not positive.
So anyway, here’s my specific moaning feedback FWIW, just tuned on exactly my wants and needs:
Please add more to the Super Carrier before the heat death of the universe. I’d like the LSO to not ghost me after a bolter and for the deck crew to guide me from parking either pre-launch or landing or even both.
Update the Red Flag A-10C ED campaign for the A-10C II please, as I would like to use that with it and seems like a good fit. If ED updated their campaigns then other paid campaigns might follow.
Lots of Viper love before any other new modules please! 
Also, since you’re here, if you can, give us some news on MAC then that would be cool.
Cheers!
Man, lots of replies in 24 hours got me thinking 2.7 got released!
Oh well.
I’m voting for the capability of the rescue helo to fish me out of the wake…
I’ve argued both sides of this discussion. Like @Victork2 and others, my feelings have softened. My latest view is this: 20+ years ago Falcon 4 was released. You bought it finished. You had to drive to Babbage’s and you paid $40 for a real box with disks and a lovely manual. You then rushed home as fast as your Celica could get you there. You installed all 8 disks. (I honestly don’t know how many there were. I got into Falcon many years later.) And for all this you were rewarded with a game that MOSTLY worked. No, it wasn’t beta. But really it was and it took some time to work out the bugs that made it into that nice box. So from that perspective; “alpha”, “beta”, “early access” and “release” have become fuzzy semantics to describe a reality that we were living in long before most of us had yet to learn those terms.
@smokinhole nails it.
Falcon 4 is a prime example of a Sim that was “done and released” and oh boy did it need some patches.
Using the falcon4 release as a counter argument against early access is like claiming STDs make great contraception.
On my system it was only playable after patch 1.07. that’s the fifth patch iirc. And it only really got good ten years after release.
Rose tinted glasses much?
Even Falcon 3.0 had quite its share of problems…
Got VR support? No VR, no play…
I only mean that as advice against partaking in something that won’t make you happy.
EA needs critiques too. Ok, not in the form of an angry mob shouting “This should have been finished by now!”, but more of a team of dedicated users that can calmly state that this feature is busted, because… If people want to do the former, but not the latter, then maybe they, and the developer, are better off by having these users sitting on the bench, so to speak.
Yeah. And there were many such examples.
Luckily, F4 had a really good foundation to build on, for modders.
Remember the original IL-2? Even the demo counts as a fully fledged flightsim in my book. They went on to release a number of upgrades, each sold as a new sim, but tied into the other as an upgrade package. And they kept on churning out patches that both corrected the code and added new code. This sim was always in development, not unlike DCS or the new IL-2. Always something new on the horizon. The IL-2 series was a sim that was well supported, but was it ever finished…?
Remember the days of DOS games? I mean, you had to squeeze all the RAM you could get out of it to make F3 run. These days we need to upgrade the hardware every now and then, but we also have the option to do so. Back in the days you could pretty much buy a soundcard for your brand PC.
So, the flightsim market has changed over the years. For the better, or worse…? I think we’re better off these days. I don’t want to go back…
I’m not going back. DCS definitely has its faults but it’s the best solution for my needs. I don’t think I’m settling for second best. It is the best. It might not do everything fantastically, but seriously when you take a step back and look at the product you have…wow.
That’s a very real issue. Another real issue is conflating these unreasonable criticisms with more reasonable ones. Whenever someone brings up a valid, reasonable criticism of the EA model and how ED implements it, the “opposition” (for a lack of a better word) labels and treats that person’s argument the same as that of an extreme whiner who complains about a rivet being in the wrong place. Straw man fallacies all over the place.
There’s a lot of that going around. Sometimes warranted, sometimes a “gotcha” cop-out where it doesn’t actually apply.
I dont feel like EA needs some ‘standards’. If it is clearly stated at the EA release what that module will contain that is fairly enough for me. Just my humble opinion.
I saw a wish list running here!?
I also think that sometimes people have to curb their expectations a bit, after all we are paying £70 (now) for each module… and with few exceptions (DCS hawk) we have got good value for money … it may take time for each EA module to be brought to a finished standard, but I enjoy the ride… learning each new system as it’s implemented.
So for the same price as a new DCS module you can get call of duty lll deluxe … I think I know which one will keep me interested longer 
