Fast business jet, old

Hey y’all!

I am compiling my aircraft wish list once more, now that I am in the market for FS2020 addons that will surely come plentiful very soon.

And for that reason I have a special question to all of you who are experts on civilian planes since I am searching for something special.
I have come to like business jets, but I want another challenge: try one without a glass cockpit. One that doesn’t provide me with GPS so I can’t just shrug and go on when my VOR/NDB/VFR skills fail.

So I am searching for a:

  • business jet, maximum size would be comparable to a Citation Longitude or so. Ideally smaller but it should have a bit of range, 2500nm or so.
  • it should be fast, ideally more than 400 knots or so at cruising altitude
  • it should be “old”, no glass cockpit. So probably 1980s or earlier.

Any suggestions?

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Lockheed JetStar - Wikipedia

Oh and real world they had some neat liveries…

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All the engines! All of them! :grin: That flight deck looks busy but cool, hehe. I’m going to watch this thread - a steam gauge business jet for FS2020 sounds like a great way to explore the world!

An older analog gauge Falcon 50 would work…or a bit smaller…but a Lear 35 or something like that.

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Ah yes, I remember that as my introduction to flying the jets (badly) in FS5.

How about an old Gulfstream II?

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If you are going to go fast, you might as well look the part and break a few windows while your at it.

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All good suggestions!

I like the unusual, quirky ones.

The JetStar looks great, but I am not sure I could handle its complexity.
But: people say it handled pretty well, even at slow speeds.

I really like the Learjet 35/36 especially because of the tip tanks which make it very sexy.
It is also fast and relatively nimble.

I think the Gulfstream II is a tad too big for me.
I guess I’ll rather aim at a 10 person airplane than on one that can carry 20 people.

The Falcon 50 is fast.
I admit I am not a fan of its looks though, especially how the top engine looks from the side.
But it would be an option.

Another plane I looked at is the North American Sabreliner. Sadly it falls short of my 2500nm range wish. But it looks like a fighter jet and reportedly also handles well.

Related question:
Is there any good source to get info about the systems/instruments of those planes?
Such as if I want to know whether a plane has a weather radar, ILS, de-icing equipment or thrust reversers?

Sure, right now this is only a wish list.
IF one of those planes becomes available for FS2020 one would have to check the usual sim stuff as well.

If and you find a learjet, be sure to let us know. I love its looks.

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I’m hoping that Xtreme Prototypes will create an MSFS version of their GLJ-25D. It puts the excitement back into civilian flight sims. Like, Is this thing going to kill me now? kind of excitement. :smiley:

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Which is the best kind TBH. Almost as good as the “I better kill that fokker before he kills me” kind DCS and Il-2 give.

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How about an HS 125? I think at least later variants had the range.

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Yeah…great little rocket that one. It would be awesome in VR and MSFS…

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If they get it right in VR, you’ll have to fly with your head tilted slightly right (or your seat way down low) :grin:

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Really? Why is that?

Because of the size of balls you need to fly it? :smiley:

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I just realized it might just have to do with the shape of the cockpit.
But yeah, that’s also a possibility! :smiley:

I only flew the 31 but I believe the cockpit is similar in size to the 24/35. At 6’5” its a tight fit. Worth it though. There isn’t a jet without an ejection system on this planet that is more fun to fly. The 31 was maybe a little less fun because all the bad habits were engineered away. The classic Lears were prone to Dutch-rolling, mach tucking and running out of gas before takeoff. In other words, they were perfect!

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