History Guy

Just thought I’d let everybody know about a youtube channel called ’History Guy’. A lot of short and concise stories from our history, and quite a few about WWII.
Just viewed the last one about the first sinking of a german sub off the east coast of the US.

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Me and my wife listen to his channel in the car. The short 15 or so minute segments are always so interesting. His delivery is really cool as well. A great find there @Troll his stuff is brilliant

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Yeah! I like it too… He’s enthusiastic but sticks to the story. He could be a news anchor.

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I listened to his talk on ‘wrong way Corrigan’ and it was just amazing.
I knew the story but the delivery was impeccable

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The bodies of the crew were buried in the Hampton National Cemetery…that’s just down the road. I may try to find the graves.

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@Hangar200 will love this one…

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Ahhh…de gale nordmennene! :grin:

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“Sure, let the Vikings build a rocket range! What could possibly go wrong?”

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“Wrong Way’s” son donated his plane to Planes of Fame in Chino, CA a couple of months ago. Have seen the plane up close and I could not fathom flying in it across the Atlantic.

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I’ve been enjoying his content too for quite awhile as well, good stuff!

Holy guacamole, this blew my mind.

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The Singonella Incident.

Very interesting.

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Being in another F-14 squadron soon after this incident was interesting. I still have the “recce pack” of Mid Eastern airlines paint jobs that we issued to the F-14 aircrew, just incase we needed to do it again (Med cruise 1986-87.) We also had contingency plans to prevent another TWA 847 incident…that would have been quite…um…interesting.

A few observations:

  • Why Leon Klinghoffer? American, Jewish and in a wheelchair? Likely true although I don’t buy the terrorists rationale about the wheelchair. After they shot him they were able to just push him, in the wheelchair, over the side…it was easier to get rid of the body.

  • While the official story might be that the jets were not armed with missiles, I find that hard to believe. We always flew with live missiles when flying in the Med. Usually 2 & 2-Winders and Sparrows. Always. (Just ask that USAF RF-4 aircrew in 1987.)

  • The Navy small pax jet that was denied clearance to take off from Sig? …he took off from a taxiway. Not something you get to do every day.

  • Why was this hushed up? It is not all that complicated. Because we were right in the middle of “the Big One”…the Cold War. It definitely would not do to have the keystone country for NATO’s southern flank (Italy) having a public fall out with the US.

I need to watch Executive Decision again. :grin:

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Would love some comments on this, @Hangar200

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I listened to that episode the other day.

Seriously forget everything else you know about it and just think about this one thing. It blows my mind.

Imagine looking through your tiny periscope and slewing around nice and gently and then the vision of kitty hawk bearing down on you fully fills the scope. It gives me shivers

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Have to send the video to a friend of mine. He served on the Long Beach before this incident.

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The very definition of a bad day at the office…

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Things went bump in the night. :astonished:

The History Guy does his usual great job explaining without hyperbole. :+1:

The only point I would defer with his assessment was that when the escorts move “2.5 miles away…leaving the Kitty Hawk blind.” Yes and no.

2.5 miles (I assume Nm) is actually quite close. Carriers typically use a 3-2-1 scheme - the escorts stay a minimum 3000 yards away forward, 2000 yards away amidships and 1000 yards away astern of the carrier. Usually the escorts are much farther away. You might have a plane guard destroyer behind you and your “shot gun” (CG) out at the horizon and everybody else in whatever stations even farther out.

Going through the Tsushima Strait, they might have brought them in closer so 2.5 Nm might at night in a choke point seems OK…I’ve gone through the Singapore Strait on CVN-74 at night and our escorts were farther out.

Was the Kitty Hawk blind anyway? More like deaf. When it comes to subs, its all about acoustics.

They were probably in a “Form 1” formation - essentially follow the leader - for safety.

They were probably traveling at as good transit speed, likely in the neighborhood of 12-17 knots. That may not seem fast to the aircraft pilots in the crowd but it is. Remember you got a bunch of other ships going and coming through the strait, not to mention the cross strait traffic - smaller things like coastal freighters, commercial fishing boats and ferries - cutting through.

Going through the Singapore Strait felt like driving the I-15 at rush hour, except with big container ships…while mopeds are crossing the highway…and it is dark. :grimacing:

So, transit speed and the escorts not stationed to make best use of their sonar, in congested traffic and rough seas…at that speed in those conditions, I’d wager nobody could hear much of anything. It could have been a clear day and this still might have happened.

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Thanks for the clarification!
My only question is then; what the heck was that sub driver thinking, following the carrier group into that strait, at keel depth…?

Yeah but… What do you really know?

:wink: J/K…

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