so what are you saying I should get a new VR Headset?? It will be the CL or bust, I already tried the Q3 and had some issues… I would prefer getting a dedicated PC VR Solution…
still wondering if I should just go for the 9800xx3d or get a 7800x3d…
In your situation, the GPU is going to provide the biggest performance boost. Sure, the 3D V-cache could reduce stutters a bit, but with Reverb or higher resolution numbers, the GPU will be the bottleneck. Your CPU should be good enough to max out a 4070Ti.
I would not advise upgrading CPU now, especially if you need to take out a loan for it. The difference it will make is just not that big, until you have a 4090 or better.
Even with the best GPU in the world, going from a 12700K to a 7800X3D is a 17% fps increase. If I understand correctly, you will not be buying the best GPU in the world, so halve that number for a reasonable estimate: 9% fps boost. Is that worth $400? I think that money can get you much better results by putting it in a better GPU.
Used prices are probably very close to new prices for the 7800X3D: all the 3D CPUs are in short supply globally, so the discount is unlikely to be worth the risk.
well therein lies the problem, it is near impossible to get a 5080 or even an 4090 for a reasonable price…
I think because the lack of the 5xxx cards the older 4080/90 GPU’s are fetching over premium prices and I just can not swing that much money out the gate…
I was also toying with the idea of getting a 14900K as with the 4K rez I play at there is not much gain over the AMD’s I seen one reviewer say after he totaled the top 10 gamers reviews it was like a 2% difference.
Yes there are bigger margins with the 1080P and 1440P but |I game in near 4K rez basically and the differences are not much different at those rez and besides being I am going to get it on Amazon I can get a payment plan and would not have to shell the full amount all at once…
Heck I figured with the newe better CPU and faster RAM it should help a bit. and maybe by summer the GPU crisis might cool off a bit by then hopefully… I am really itching to pull the trigger but I could also just get the 14900K as my current mobo will take that cpu as well to save a little over all but not as big a perfromance gain as my z790 board uses ddr4 RAM…
With the new board it will be ddr5 and they say it is better with higher rez and the faster RAM… Not sure if it is a best buy but if the prices normalise for a 5080 by summer and I get the upgrade now I will be a little ahead of the curve…
But that is my thoughts on it not sure if it is the best way to go but it seems to be currently…
Don’t replace the 12700K right now, it won’t make a noticeable difference in performance in VR.
Save and wait for better GPUs
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Well I just thought jump ahead of the curve and get the new CPU and such now then get a GPU and Pimax Crystal light…
Will the 12700K still do good with the Pimax CL??
OK I was doing some digging and found that my GPU load is at 59% so from what I read that indicates a CPU issue so I think I am going to save up and just get a 9800x3d CPU and amd motherboard and RAM.
I think with the 4070Ti I have now is good it is just the CPU holding it back a bit.
then I can get the Pimax CL by spring hopefully
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That could indicate a CPU bottleneck, but not necessarily. If you increase settings that have no CPU overhead, such as AA, Resolution, pixel density, textures, do you see a decrease in framerate?
If you do, you are still GPU limited. The DX11 engine just isn’t able to fully utilize all the resources of your system efficiently, is all. This is a DX11 problem, not a hardware problem.
If you can up those settings (especially the first 3), and still get the same performance, then you are sure you are CPU limited.
Yes it should. As you said, at high res, the CPU doesn’t matter that much for gaming performance
so I know if I increase the resolution the FPS will drop for sure. so in that case then it is a GPU Bottleneck, if the FPS drop?
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Increasing the load on the GPU (increasing the resolution) and the framerate dropping indicates the GPU is holding you back doesn’t it?
If you had the CPU bottlenecking you I’d have thought increasing the resolution would have little effect on the frame rate… but I could be misunderstanding something?
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Yes. A better GPU will get you better framerates, no need to worry about CPU for now then
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So let me try this. right now I am at 59% load on the GPU. So if I increase the resolution and the FPS drop IT indicates I need a new GPU?
EDIT: I raised the resolution to 100% in the G2, I also increased the AA to MSAA x4 and increased the textures to high it did NOT decrease my FPS on the training mission.
I also noted the GPU load was at 78% so from what I am currently understanding it is then the CPU that is holding me back.
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Yes, this does indeed indicate a different bottleneck. Strange. Never expected this with a 12700K. How much RAM do you have? Is your RAM running at XMP profile?
@Derbysieger I thought you upgraded from a similar setup to the 9800X3D but did not see your avg fps increase that much? Any clue what’s going on here?
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Hey Freak, that is good to hear I was getting confused a bit haha!! Yes I run 64GB RAM and run the XMP Profile…
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Yeah there’s something fishy going on here. I went from a 5900X with 64GB RAM to the 9800X3D with 96GB. Some minor fps improvements with the new rig in VR but my 3080ti was at 99% usage for GPU and VRAM on the old system, same as on the new one.
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I notice that on games where my GPU is at 99% it performs great. If it’s at or below 75% I get stutters, hitching, overall poor performance.
I will say I do get 99% in DCS, albeit I use just a 1440p monitor. Thing sits at my 120fps frame cap and only on rare occasions drops below 100 for even a spike.
My CPU, though, usually sits under 15% for DCS. Granted it’s using what, 2 cores max?
And I have the identical setup to Neph minus VR. Only game I have right now that taxes my setup is SW Outlaws with DLSS 4 @quality setting. That will make the fans on the 4070 Ti Super kick in hard and my FPS will drop below 60 quite often. DLSS3 @ quality is fine as is DLSS4 @balanced.
TBH though DLSS4 @balanced looks better than DLSS3 @ quality most of the time. For 4000 series cards, I would say you should drop the DLSS setting one level if moving from 3 to 4 for equivalent performance but better picture. Yeah, quality looks a bit better but not worth the hit to me.
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I haven’t a clue why @The_Nephilim isn’t getting the performance he should get out of his 12700K with 64GB RAM…
I could ask for the obvious: energy saving settings, is everything set to performance mode?
Is there some sort of BIOS power setting that could help to unlock performance on 12th gen Intel or should it be good out of the box? I don’t even know enough about this platform
Well in hindsight I think the performance was there not sure why it looked like I had a CPU Bottleneck which now I can clearly see was not the case…
Even on the new 265K @5.5ghz I get similar performance in DCS. it seemed a bit better only in MW5 currently the only 2 games I played so far NMS is the only other game I usually play…
But either way I think I should have went with a GPU. but I needed to know either way I would have bought the new CPU…
And yes I had the old system setup real good max performance and all I even scored a best score in Firestrike with my system so it was not a fault of the system setup or anything…
I think it is just DCS Lacks and optimisations it so desperately needs… seems the performance can get worse but it rarely seems to get better hahah!! 
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Don’t want to be a Richard but there were multiple attempts to convince you the CPU upgrade won’t bring much in your case. Looks to me like you already made up your mind and we’re looking for confirmation 
All things considered DCS optimization is not too bad. I still get 60-100 fps on my 2017 system with low to medium settings in pancake FHD.
It’s the demand for high resolution and high fps in VR combined with the desire to turn on the eye candy which is bringing even top of the line systems to their knees…
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Well there was as you say miltiple attempts but when I ran that test and the GPU load said it was a CPU Bottleneck as it was on;ly at around 64% usage…
So I just figured maybe a CPU Upgrade would help. I am not mad or anything like that as I wanted to get the 265K either way as when and if I get a Pimax CL it would be a top notch system for the uograde.
Either way it has been a good experience and while the scores in Firestrike are doing very well but I was hoping for a little bit more with DCS. Like I was saying MW5 worked much better and was smoother overall so a worthy upgrade for that alone…
miRage do you use VR by chance? it is alot more demanding then a monitor… I was just wanting to stay ahead of the curve…