T.B.S. is gone, there is no professional DCS anymore.
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Agree. But Iâm pretty sure that it is what we arenât seeing that is important⊠what systems are modelled and the capabilities (and limitations) of those systems⊠and not just Blue force, As well as the text at 1:27, did anyone else notice the J20 at 1:32
I can almost guarantee that anyone who doesnât have the necessary security clearance and need-to-know will never get to âplayâ with the NOR system.
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Donât you think this may just be Meta throwing money is it panics at the worldâs lukewarm reception the the VR metaverse? My guess is that they are throwing pasta at every possible market to see what sticks.
I donât think that this is Meta, as in, the company of a certain Mark Zuckerberg.
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YeaâŠIt looks like they changed their name from some time ago to Metrea
I hope youâre wrong, but know youâre probably right.
Yeah, saw that video earlier today. Thought it was complete BS. I mean he is speculating about a complex industry and a company based on a few minutes trailer. Really?
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Yes!!..Lots of SpeculatingâŠBut what if heâs Right??? 
Same here. He even starts by âadmittingâ that it is aimed at and being developed for the Military⊠so I stand by my original comment
with the following caveat: Maybe, one day we will get a âdumbed downâ version for public consumption?
If so (but I wouldnât hold my breath) then yes, it will compete with DCS in the same way MSFS competes with X-Plane (and vice versa). IMHO a little competition with DCS in this space can only be a good thing, but both will continue to have their strengths and weaknesses. There will be a few die hards who will âcall for pistols at twenty pacesâ defending one or the other, but most of us will be like the girl in the taco ad
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Speculating⊠All we can do while we wait for the Strike Eagle release 
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It would be nice if heâs right. I donât normally criticize videos but I had to end this one early. Too much speculation for my liking. Still, nice wishful thinking⊠
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So this is Somewhat Interesting.This is a post from @Tricker posted on his YouTube Channel.He is a DCS Enthusiast /Tutorial/Content Creator and Real World Airline Pilot.
As far as I knowâŠHe has no Military Affiliation or background.
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Meta/FB came to Meta/Metrea and bought the name for $20mil.
Iâve got friends in the company and got the info from them.
Metrea has a large stake in military training. From simulation to actual flying. They own 4 of the former Singapore KC-135s and are on contract with the USN for tanker support.
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not an expert here, and not a DCS fanboy, but that NOR doesnt look really good in comparison to DCS F-16 trailer. too sterile in the air, not many animations, ⊠like nice graphics engine demo. oc is about whats important for the customers and about money. after some initial customers they will have the funds to up their game I would say.
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Yeah, I mostly agree with you. Specially regarding the terrain at altitude:
This doesnât look any better than what we have in DCS.
The lighting also doesnât look really ânext genâ
Once again, you could take this screenshot, post it on Hoggit and nobody would notice itâs not DCS.
Even though itâs my primary sim I wouldnât consider myself as a DCS fanboy either. Thruth is Iâd welcome a competitor. But I just donât understand the hype surrounding NOR. Let alone the fact this isnât advertised for civilian use it seems a lot of people are forgetting that this is a carefully crafted trailer and it really doesnât show much. No way to know anything about performances, AIs, flight models, system fidelity, weather, etc.
They seem to think just because itâs using UE5 itâs going to be better across the board and I just fail to see where are the actual hard evidences for such a claim.
With all that being said, it should make ED wonder why are so many people willing to jump ship in the blink of eye. It might be a good idea for them to be a bit more transparent about the challenges they are facing with AI and perfomances, explain why something that works in IL-2 wouldnât work in DCS. What are the strenghts of the DCS engine, what can be done in DCS that cannot be done anywhere else. Maybe let the 3rd parties chip in too. After all, unlike ED, they have complete freedom about the platform they pick for their products. So why did they chose DCS?
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It truly should, but until it starts, itâs only a blip on their radar. Commercially, that is. Mil side, maybe a bit more. It depends on how well the avionics are fleshed out.
Not getting into a long tirade but only strong competition will bring to light what youâve mentioned. Until then, its internal.
Mil simulators arenât about the eye candy like DCS is. Theyâre very system heavy to train to checklists and safety procedures. The really in-depth modeling is at the airbases/airports. Per FAA guidance, our KC-135 OFT had to match the home airbase pretty accurately. Plus any outlying transient airfields (Al Udeid, Al Dhafra, Mildenhall, etc) And if something changed that was part of a NOTAM or permanent addition, the simulator database had to updated within a set period in order to maintain itâs certifications.
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I wont get into it in detail on here, and save the 5 pages of text,
But here are the highlights on why this video is just laughable.:
A. NOR is not the software, NOR is the platform,
Which consists of the Core Software, Specialized Aircraft, the Motion System, Network System, the HOTAS, and a few other parts. Modulized for Military Contract orders.
B. NOR Platform will be for government contracts only, not home consumers.
C. The Video, is Marketing, Most of the shots, are of single ship, single items, fly byâs, pans, close FoV Shots, Maxed out quality or rendered scenes for the video. notice thereâs not a âActual in Game Footageâ tag anywhere.
D. The Terrain/Object Detail was sporadic,
One shot the terrain is something youâd never before seen in a sim, another shot it looks like FS2002.
One Part of an aircraft that youâll rarely see, You have 1 million polys on a tire and LAU127 Launcher, but the slat of the aircraft is 500 polys with a 256x256 normal map. (and in direct view from cockpit).
E. Half of the Explosions that were praised were Stock Adobe After Effects Explosions added on top of the video frames.
Honestly the only thing that would put NOR above DCS is the Core and GFX Engine are new and multi-threaded, so in VR, youâll likely get that full 200 FPS at P.D. 1.5x.
But even that advantage would be shortlived.
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