RAZBAM AV-8B Harrier II


#624

Theory:

Practice:


#625

Dat placeholder loading screen

Ass must have swallowed the seat at min 9:40


#626

Ohhh god, is it me or is this looking pretty darned good


#627

Well it’s no F-111 but it’ll have to do I guess.


#628


#629

I think it’s about as far from F-111 as you can get and still be a jet.

  • Small
  • Light
  • Short ranged
  • Medium Bomb load
  • Can land on a ship Can land on a ship without breaking itself, the ship, or both.
  • Still in service

#630

Also no afterburner.


#631

strike that from the list.


#632

Seems like the CV is losing 5 knots for every launch.

Btw: Can you do ordinary running takeoffs and landings in a Harrier?


#633

Yes to both. A running take off is the preferred method as a matter of fact, as pure VTOL ops massively restrict ordinance and fuel available.


#634

As heavy as those things were, there had to have been an appreciable effect on the steam plant every time they threw one off the deck.


#635

It only weighed about 7 tons more than an F-14, when both were fully loaded. Empty, it was down to just one ton more.
The wingspan was 6 ft more, but when swept it was actually less than the Tomcat’s.

It’s not that the Tomcat was that much smaller and lighter, it just looked smaller and lighter.


#636


#637

This sentence made me giddy.


#638

You should’ve felt it when a fully loaded Tomcat went off the bow.


#639

Now you are just flirting.


#640

So I asked this question in channel a week or two ago and it felt kinda awkward to be asking if a jet airplane could land conventionally. When I thought out why that might be I realized that it was because the landing gear just doesn’t seem arranged for rolling out like other planes.

So I am curious how often a rolling landing occurs? @Deacon211 if you are around could you maybe talk a bit about this? What is the protocol for landings in a Harrier based at a land base? Are hover landings always performed because weapons are expended and fuel is low? Does the old maxim that “you train like you fight” apply here? If you are operating out of MCAS Cherry Point are there dedicated pads for hover landings, or do you join the pattern with the Hornets and roll it out?


#641

#642

I used to watch them land in the UK, and they seemed to just land normally at the local airbase. Perhaps just with a bit of downward nozzle is my guess. The flaps are enormous. The vertical landing even at an airshow was incredibly noisy, so the locals probably wanted them to act like normal airplanes most of the time. :slight_smile:

Would be interested in @Deacon211’s experience, as per usual, on all things Harrier.


#643

In franzak’s book I don’t recall him mentioning ever landing vertically. I think he even almost over runs at one point and also describes a mishap that happens to another pilot while on rollout. I’m sure loadout and field altitude (Afgan) are factored, it just gave me the impression that it really wasn’t used unless at an airshow or tactically necessary.