Throttle finger lifts

bummer. all I have is the original.

I’ve been using Troll’s pushthrough detents on my CM2 for almost a year now and they have been nothing short of excellent.

Last week, I found these on thingiverse and decided to give them a shot. All I can say is wow. If you want a finger lift style on a CM2, I strongly recommend. This pretty much replicates the system Virpil uses on the CM3.

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Hi @Markbam and welcome to Mudspike! :mudspike:
That detent solution looks very nice!
I made something similar for the original MT-50 throttle and I tried to do the same for the CM2, but I found the throttle grips too large, so the finger lifts ended up too far forward, so the lifts hit the base. The whole solution was too cumbersome and hard for the average user to do, so I went with the easier push through solution.
Good to see others coming up with great solutions though!
Please post some pictures of your finger lift mod!

I’ve never used a finger lift system before so I couldn’t actually tell if they’re too far forward but these do not hit the base.

Note: I’m still waiting for my bearings to come in but the screw head is doing the job just fine. I also used a rubber band instead of a spring because it’s what I had on hand.

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If you compare to the CM3 handles, they are quite a bit forward. This was the design decision I had to wrestle with. There just wasn’t enough space beneath the grips, for the mechanism and lifts, so I had to move everything forward, until I felt I had to reach too far to get my fingers on the lifts. VPC solved this by increasing the height of the grips, which I think was a good idea.
But it looks like a well designed kit! Quite a lot of effort went into the design, I’m sure… :slight_smile:

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Hi Troll, thanks for these excellent parts. I’m having trouble getting much sense out of them in my CAD program (the collars for the throttle legs are coming at 684mm for example… won’t quite fit on my printer that one. I am pondering some design tweaks to try to remove the detent on return from AB to regular throttle, but would be really helpful if I can interrogate these models fully in CAD to work on top of them, as it were. Could you possibly post a set of files for the MT-50 CM2 throttle in the .STP or .STEP format?

Thanks very much!

Hi, @StompyJones and welcome to Mudspike! :mudspike:

I’m guessing there is some sort of error in the STL translation…?

Sure.
Just to be clear, is it this one you’re interested in?

Hi @Troll, the issue is my CAD program (Solid Edge) cannot interact with STL files at all other than to show them - it can’t snap onto edges/identify features etc. to allow me to measure and model with them easily. This is because STL files are facets only.

I’m interested in all parts required to make the whole mod to give an idle lock and the AB push-through detent, I’m going to use this with the F/A-18C module in DCS.

(edit: I’ve fixed the scale issue I was having - would still be great to get step files though! :smile: )
Thanks very much!

Ah, that one.
I’ll see what I can do.
I work in metric so mm.

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Hey @Troll no worries on the STEP file front, I modelled from scratch around the STL meshes as best I could. Took a bit longer that way but I had the time today and wanted to crack on. My main goal was to remove the detent on the way back from AB to MIL, and to do this in a way that enables adjustability in the detent point. With this in mind I have enabled positions for ball plungers on the throttle collars, and made the thicker section that the balls run up onto from a different piece - allowing adjustability and the ability to replace it pending how much the ball wears the plastic.

Printing now, will report back how I get on and make files available if I achieve something that works.

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Cool idea!
You could also add dimples or holes to it, for AB staging.
Maybe wrap some alu tape around it, to reduce the wear…?

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Aluminium tape is a great idea, I haven’t got any to try immediately so for now I’ll see how plain plastic holds up. I have since split that black part in the above pic in three pieces as I was having difficulty printing it all in one and getting an orientation where it works, so the ‘side lobes’ are actually both just printed flat on the bed now and are effectively solid PLA, it’s too thin for the slicer to bother with a low density infill.

I’m currently experiencing the joys of 3d printing for something that requires a bit of accuracy, previously I had only printed tabletop gaming terrain that could be messy as hell with no issues. I thought I left loads of clearance (my centre piece is a good 5mm narrower than yours) and it’s still on the verge of rubbing.

I’ve got it installed on the unit now in a very basic state (wrong fasteners, no springs, using a few bits I had to break and hack together to make them fit), which should be enough to at least get on with the software side of things… once I have it proven and working in-game I’ll do a sweep through the design and print another version that I will take care to give a neat finish, smooth/paint etc.

I am curious about your suggestions for detent positions for afterburner staging - I have been looking to find any concrete info on how the F/A-18 throttle actually works, do you know where I can find it? I only knew it didn’t have a detent on return from AB from one of your comments earlier in the thread mentioning a downside of the ‘screw past a ball plunger’ design.

I’m too new here to post links, but you can find my finished version on Thingiverse - thing:5487638

And there’s a video on Youtube on /watch?v=sxbOIIpT9Yw

All done, happy to be finished. Thanks so much for your design, this would have taken a lot longer without your solution to crib from!

Wound up fitting metal strips taken from pens to provide the track for the ball plungers, as after just a couple of days using my original basic 3d printed ones it had worn grooves into it that reduced the effectiveness of the detent ‘bite point’.

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A little help for you @StompyJones.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5487638
https://youtu.be/sxbOIIpT9Yw

Wheels

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Hey @StompyJones. I bumped your level up a notch. If you have any problems posting, send me a message.

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@Fridge @wheelsup_cavu thank you both, very helpful :slight_smile:

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What an amazing post this is, I just had to make an account just so I can pop my question here.

I have an Older Vipril CM throttle

I’m from the EU and I don’t have access to 3d printer is there anyone I could contact to buy some of these afterburner / finger-lift detents?

Always felt like I needed this feature but I don’t feel like buying the newest throttle for it.

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Hi @Relax and welcome to Mudspike! :mudspike:
It’s been a while since I made these things, but t
you mean this throttle, right?

In that case you can’t use the finger lifts that I made for my MT-50 (non CM) throttle.

I did make push through detents for that throttle though.

You will be needing these parts

Throttle lever clamps for the VPC MT-50, CM & CM2 by ConTrollR - Thingiverse (x2)

And you will be needing some other parts like screws and ball plungers.

I can check if I have everything in stock and print the parts for you.

Ah that makes so much sense now.

Ye I have the CM throttle 2nd Rev with updated grip.

That would be amazing if I can buy it off from you if it’s not that much of an issue.

I am from EU tho not sure if that will mean anything.