VEAO Hawk T.1A

VEAO Bae Hawk March second update.

[quote]Hey Guys,
Following a Go / No-Go meeting we just had and feedback from ED testers and our own testers I wanted to make a post today specifically about the Hawk patch and it’s current state.
As you know we like to keep you informed every step of the way even if we are having problems.

Let me start by saying no one wants to get this big patch out to you more than we do and we are so very close

So where are we at…

With the 1.5.3 patch due this week you will get the new and improved cockpit textures.
There are still some things to be worked on but the main bulk of panels base textures have been re-worked.
Details such as screw heads, oxy switch, LP Fuel Cock lever Etc. will be in the next round of texture updates as our artist sources parts for his PC as it blew up, great timing I know.

The EFM is complete, has been tweaked and signed off by the real life pilots.

However; when we switch to EFM we lose all current sounds; cockpit and engine.
This is expected as the aircraft is not using an SFM flight model and therefore stock DCS sounds.
We have been working very hard to get our custom sounds working and this is the current state:
Inverter, batteries, fuel pump, gyro’s and GTS startup/shutdown are all working.
Adour engine start up in cockpit - currently working.
Adour running idle with canopy open or closed in cockpit (different sound) - currently working.
Adour sound changes depending on RPM - partially working. The sounds are blending but pitch is not increasing or decreasing with rpm setting.
External engine sounds are currently not working.

We are having issues with the sound API and are working hard to resolve these. Hopefully in the next few days as good progress has been made over the last few days but we are simply going as fast as we can on it.

Radios are also partially working. In one of the recent DCS updates the ability for DCS to detect our engine RPM suddenly stopped working (you can see this with F2 view status bar).
This has a big effect on radios working.
ATC will not respond to you if you request taxi out, take off or landing as the sim thinks your engine is dead.
We are working with ED on this one as something changed in the core sim and the code they gave has stopped working.
Somehow this has also affected the ability to talk to wingmen, AWACS, JTAC and other units, which were working as you saw from an earlier video I posted up.

This is one of those head banging against a brick wall moments for us!!

Here is a summary of the Go / No-Go list for the big patch:
Cockpit textures - Go
EFM - Go
EFM damage model - Go
Cockpit Sounds - Go
External Sounds - No Go
Radios - No Go

So, with these last two items not fully working we had to make the decision that we would not make the 1.5.3 patch in time this week.

Yes we could have released without these last two items but I am not comfortable doing that for obvious reasons, as much as I want to get you the EFM.

We were fully confident that we would make it for the patch but as with all software development some things happen that you just can’t explain and have to keep at it until it finally works, especially integrating with DCS. It’s not as easy as some people think it is.

I hope you will enjoy the updated cockpit textures coming in the 1.5.3 patch and as soon as I know when the next patch is due from ED and the two remaining items are fixed you’ll be the first to know.

Thanks again as always for your continued patience and support,
Chris and the team.[/quote]


Thanks for the updates @Silver_Dragon

VEAO April Bae Hawk T.M1 update

[QUOTE]Hi Guys,
Here is a quick update on Hawk for April.

We have been battling with the sound API for DCS getting custom engine sounds working.
Our friends at Razbam have been helping us out trading ideas for what we’ve done and what they’ve done. More heads are better than one…

So far we have working cockpit engine sounds and are still working on external sounds using the API.

That being said, the EFM will be released in the upcoming 2.0.2 patch first (due to release schedule) which will give you the opportunity to fly and give us feedback.
It will then be in the next 1.5 patch whenever that is.

I’d like to thank you for your patience in waiting whilst we work through these issues.

Look out for the upcoming patch notes posted by ED.

We have been reviewing comments on the updated textures and are working to optimise them a little more, plus working on other details to make the whole cockpit better.



Really looking forward to the EFM and new cockpit textures (I’m on 2.0 so haven’t seen them as yet).

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Cool! Thanks and best of luck.

VEAO Hawk develop update with 2.0.2 DCS: W update

[QUOTE]Hey Guys,
Here’s a little video for you of what you’ll be getting.

External engine and cockpit sound test of DCS: Hawk for the upcoming DCS: World OpenAlpha 2.0.2 patch, including EFM.

Raw video recorded straight from the flight, no sound editing.

I threw her about for a couple of flat spins and some low level ground effect flying.

All still work-in-progress of course.

Video is 2560x1080

Edit - Apologies for the black spots, seems like Fraps had a little issue.



VEAO put detail with the feedback of the consulting pilots of the Hawk T.1

[quote]Hey Guys,
I have been speaking to some of our consulting pilots regarding a couple of things that have been raised by the community.
Regarding the nodding dog - accelerated stall - They have confirmed that the is no flick at all and the the stall is straight nose down and even then you have to be quite aggressive to induce this effect. We will most likely soften the effect slightly to make it a little less jerky but the way the effect works will not be changed based on this first hand feedback.
Regarding buffeting during accelerated stall, they have advised that there is very minimal buffeting and that it is more of a vibration through the seat rather then a full blown buffet. In this instance we will not be implementing a visual effect for this, however if we ever do a full FFB profile in the future we will include a minor vibration when approaching the nodding dog effect. Even so this vibration is only felt very very close to the stall and not through the pull into the stall.
Flaps and Gear drag / pitch changes, they have given us some more detailed feedback on the pitch effects of these, Flaps is a very slight pitch up per indent, gear is a very slight nose down. One knock of flaps cancels out the gear and with full flaps the nose climbs very slightly.
The airbrake is a slight nose down attitude change.
This feedback will be implemented in an upcoming EFM change, We are working on the crashing issue at the moment, then we will implement some more of this fine tuned feedback.
I thought you guys might like a summary of the feedback from the pilots.
Feedback like this is what will take our Hawk to the next level

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VEAO Bae Hawk T.1 Update

[quote]Hey Guys,
Now the falling-out-the-sky issue has been resolved here is an update on the main Hawk bugs list for you.

Weapons selector has been fixed (YAY I hear you shout!!).
Flaps and gear down now affect the flight model.
Smoke pod we are still looking into and this will come later.
Aden gun pod will hopefully have it’s texture by patch day.
Aden sounds we are waiting on feedback for.
Rudder sensitivity has been tweaked and is currently being tested.
AHRS power spike on re-spawn and HYD2 reset on re-spawn are still being worked on.
DFM (Damage flight model) is being worked on following feedback from ED.
NTTR map ILS for airfields is being tested.
Controls indicator (RCtrl+Enter) is being tested.

Other reported bugs/tweaks are also being looked at.

Keep an eye out for the patch list as to what has made it in for the next patch.

With regards to EFM; one of our pilots is taking up his go-pro on his next training sortie and will record the spin behaviour of the Hawk for us.
We will of course analyse this and tweak the EFM accordingly and post up a comparison video.

I can assure you that Hawk is still being worked on to bring it out of Beta status as soon as we can.

Many thanks,

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VEAO posted their Q3 status update. You can read it here.

From what I can gather they’re done with spending time fixing the Hawk code all the time. They will recode her from scratch to a version that will stand the test of time. Apperently they did something similair for the P-40 internally. Since the ASM has to be redone, multicrew is now likely on the agenda for the hawk.


VEAO Bae Hawk T.1 multicrew cockpit total reconstruction by ED and VEAO team

[quote]Hi all.
It’s very rare that I post in the forums but now I feel compelled to tell you of the background behind the exciting developments coming to the Hawk version 2.

The thing is Ells is a modest chap so you won’t know the amount of work he puts into rectifying the Hawk and how much he cares about the product.

The pressure is really on VEAO at the moment with the imminent release of the P40f and, as a result, Pman and his teams are working flat out on producing, what I believe, will be a fantastic warbird in every sense. But there has been little resource left for our little Hawk.

However Ells and I have been secretly working on this new update for the last few weeks and I have to say it has been an absolute pleasure to watch and learn. From working with 3D models to understanding program structure and module coding Ells has worked tirelessly and as a result we can bring to you now a major update to the Hawk.

So what’s the big deal…

Well right from the beginning Ells has always wanted to have 2 seat capability in the Hawk but we have always hit problems when we tried to implement it. The final straw was when the L39 came out and we realised that we would have to rewrite the entire Hawk code as (learning from the L39) ED coding required separate instances of clickable j based on seat occupied. Our Hawk was coded such that all cockpit switches were available from either seat. This meant in practice that you may be able to mouse over and click on forward cockpit switches from the rear seat through the front ejection seat. Clearly undesirable . This lead Ells to reluctantly announce that the rear cockpit would not be available until after a complete code rewrite.

Then we had a eureka moment.

We found that, buried in the code, there was a maximum distance which, once exceeded you would no longer be able to operate a switch with the mouse. The rear cockpit was again viable!

Many thanks to Alex at ED for his help in uncovering this and many other programming functions in DCS world

Now it was dark back there in the rear. Half the gauges didn’t work properly, no lighting, misplaced 3D objects and no inter connectivity with the front cockpit. The weapons panel had to report and indicate switch selections in the front and we couldn’t get the rear head position to work correctly. All in all we produced a list of over 25 project stopping bugs which, as mentioned earlier, Ells enthusiastically worked through, with me, to the end result that I can now tell you that we have single player rear seat capability in the Hawk and the view is great from back there!

If you’re using track i/r or VR you can look round the front ejector seat and see everything functioning correctly in the front and the elevated seat position is great for take off and landing. You can even map a joystick function to swap seats on the fly for the best of both worlds.

Whilst working on the rear seat we also took the time to rectify and energise some of the systems that were non functional in Hawk version 1. We now have working brake pressure gauges and transponder functionality anyway, Ells will let you know the full list of upgrades in due course.

I was very fortunate to be given by a friend of mine, who used to fly the Hawk, an original Hawk t1 ,hard bound, flight manual and checklist, including hand written notes. I’ve scanned the checklists and emergency checklist into the kneeboard so that now, when you fly, you’ll be using the actual checklist that’s travelled at 400Kts through the valleys many times in the real Hawk. It’s a testament to the ASM coding by The team that the checklist works very well with our Hawk.

That’s it from me. I’m sure you’ll hear a lot more from the guys about further improvements to the Hawk in future including new textures and multiplayer capability etc etc. But, as I said at the beginning, Ells is a modest chap and I just wanted to convey the excitement and pleasure, I’ve seen in him bringing, to you, something ,I know, he’s wanted you to have all along… Enjoy.[/quote]

instructor crew pics


NIce! The hawk is coming along nicely!

I am so excited that they’re doing this. Can’t wait to train in multiplayer in the Hawk!

VEAO video show rear cockpit funtionality on Bae Hawk T.1


Flight reference charts with the VEAO: Hawk on next paths


amongst a few other things coming to the hawk in Patch 1.5.5

Looks like they’re working hard and fast on the whole multi-crew thing,


New Hawk cockpit (with updated files from here)

Editors Note: Anyone can say anything (as long as legal and not overtly rude) about most things here. What we don’t really want is just some spiral of negativity where a couple of people can campaign against something they feel strongly about. Put another way, you can say ‘I think it’s crap’ but we would prefer you not to say ‘I think it is very crap’ ten thousand times in lots of topics as a way to campaign or soapbox for something. Anyhoo, as you were.


I’ll probably wait until it gets pushed with the next update, but man does that look so much better than the original pit! I’m a big fan of the Hawk despite its flaws. Thanks for posting ff.

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It is looking really likely that there will be a Friday hotfix. Just to lazarus up the Gazelle and MiG-21bis is probably reason enough.

I get the impression the DCS patch day 3rd party releases and release notes are a sort of a herding cats like set-up, where the teacher says the ‘Bus will be leaving at 8AM sharp!’ only to watch lots of dishevelled kids run behind it at 9AM after it waited for 30 minutes anyway… :slight_smile:

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I’m probably reaching here, but what are the chances of multiplayer multicrew and a T-45?

Looks unlikely. Nearest I ever read was possibly a seat switch.