Virtualy New to VR - Questions, Observations, no poetry

Do some A to A refueling in an aircraft and you will IMMEDIATELY appreciate VR :slight_smile:

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Does Dramamine help?

With regard to the controllers, it just takes practice and finding the “sweet spot”. For example the Mig-21 piper switch spot is at the very end of the switch. The grid illumination switch is similar but even harder to hit. The switch to pressurize the canopy is virtually impossible to aim and hit. In fact I never have accomplished it. Instead I just swipe my right finger across both the latch and pressure switch. Most of the time it does the trick.

I have found, up to this point, the best VR controller/pointer for DCS is a wireless Track-ball strapped to your leg…

I picked up a cheap canvas belt and cut it to size for my leg and attached the Trackball to the belt with Velcro and my very rudimentary sewing skills. It works great.

I’m really looking forward to trying PointControl when I eventually get to the front of the line.

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That’s almost as fun to accidentally wear to the grocery as a trackIR hat :nerd_face:

I have done worse :wink:

Seriously though, it’s really no different than strapping a knee-board to your leg.

I haven’t tried a medical solution yet, but I might.
Fun fact: now it is ten hours including an OK night of sleep after my last flight and I still feel dizzy.
That actually gives me a bit of hope that only part of my nausea is caused by the VR.

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Oh dear…

I just read this article and it claims that the dizziness can last for days…
https://medium.com/@ThisIsMeIn360VR/motion-sickness-and-the-vr-hangover-what-you-need-to-know-4d6cb23af121

But it also says

I suggest if you suffer from VR induced motion sickness, there are some current Remedy options. take Gravol, Ginger, marijuana or alcohol before gameplay.

I had motion sickness before, but never that severe. Neither on boats nor the very few planes I was on.

VR illness is serious bidness. Take some time off from it and be more careful easing in. Pattern work! Cold&dark starts, take-off, cross country flight, pattern, landing and shutdown. No combat! no aerobatics!

Your brain needs to be taught to cope with the strangeness of your neck muscles and eyes telling it something wildly different from what it gets from the inner ear. Like a 737MAX it does not take kindly to the discrepancy at first.

Don’t force it. VR sickness seems to be cumulative and can really F you up (migraines anyone?) if you’re not careful with it. The effects can take quite a bit of time to subside. Please do give it that time.

I second the opinion on mary jane being good for VR. Makes a boring cross-country flight more fun too! Pink floyd, the Tomcat & the Caucasus, whee!

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On the plus side: I now have a 450 bucks drunkness simulator, including hangover! Yay! :smiley:

But yeah I will do the following: Wait with playing in VR again until I don’t feel dizzy anymore. Then fly some “boring” missions (and maybe drink some beer).
MJ is out of question for me. I tried it once but didn’t like it.

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The good thing about VR is that “boring” stuff gets pretty darn interesting with the added immersion. By the time you can coldstart, fly and land your entire DCS hangar your brain might well be ready for a little dancing.

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Yeah that’s why I put “boring” in quotes.
I like that kind of stuff. And since I have gotten a bit rusty in a few planes I like (including the Hornet and my beloved A-10C) I will do exactly that.

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People in general usualy dont like medication, but it make them feel better in the end.
So you have to take it, together with the other stuff…

…oh wait, never mind… thats OR in that sentence :smile:

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I wonder how many of us have done that…or something similar…

  • Yes, I have accidentally worn my TrackIR hat/antenna in public
  • No, I have never done so…really…
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Overcoming VR induced motion sickness is simply a case to getting used to it. If you start feeling the first signs of feeling ‘off’, then immediately come out of VR and do something else for awhile, or play in 2D until you feel fine again. Then jump back into VR… rinse and repeat. Before long you will find that it takes longer before the first signs become noticeable , and eventually it won’t bother you at all. The worst thing you can do is push through until the point where you are feeling physically sick. That will affect you for quite some time and discourage you from trying to get over the problem. Baby steps ;).

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Mirroring everything said here already. Little steps…and try to avoid things with a lot of yaw motions…that seems to be one of the biggest factors. Aircar is really, really cool…but probably the most nausea inducing of the VR demos and games out there.

Might help to sip some Ginger Ale as you are in VR too.

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The thing with the yaw was one of the first I noticed.
Flying a loop or split-s in the TF-51 was way less severe than turning around while taxiing with the tail wheel unlocked.
In AirCar I quickly learned to more fly like a plane than like a helicopter.

As soon as I feel normal again (still not the case now, more than 17 hours after my last VR flight) I will try again, but basically fly the C-101 like an airliner.

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If it is any consolation, when I started my instrument training in a C172, I couldn’t last more than 10-15 minutes under the hood. It was a horrible experience. I did eventually get over it though.

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Now that I think about it…
Maybe this whole VR sickness training has the added benefit of helping me get rid of my problems when traveling in the car. (I normally have no problems, but as soon as I try to read or play a game on my phone while being a passenger I get really really sick very quickly).

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If wearing the original TrackIR reflective dot on my forehead during dinner counts, I’m guilty as charged. I still hear for it occasionally, here 10+ years later… :smiley:

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I few days ago I came back from a hard acro flight. Feeling pretty rough on the way in I quickly parked next to the grass, hopped out and, without taking my chute off, puked until nothing was left. Now I had nothing to blame but my own stupidity as I had nothing to eat up to that point but a bag of pork rinds (NJ’s favorite snack!) and maybe half a gallon of black coffee. Added to that was a hard push loop during the flight. The only lesson my experience offers for flying VR is to avoid caffeine and alcohol until the experience begins to feel natural. Move your head a lot and breathe.

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