Heatblur F-14 and Forrestal Update



Could be worse I guess. Who gets to clean the dust out of the cockpit in helos and Ospreys?

Roll em’ up boys…air on recirculation! Quick!


Dirt? Dust?? No problem! Just dunk the helo in a nearby lake to wash it all away.

BTW, they were not “practicing” water landings. The pilots lost their wings and I think the CO was relieved.

They were trying to get some “cool” photos over Lake Tahoe…something about density altitude and the lake’s 6,225 foot elevation…:scream:…real aviators, discuss.

EDIT: They both made an emergency landing at KTVL


Never do anything anymore. It will be on Twitter in 5 minutes. Sigh.


Right, but again, nomex gloves for the flight crews…




…and this particular video was shown during a Commander, Pacific Fleet staff meeting.

Admiral Walsh was not impressed.

Still, seeing this video on the big CPF Staff Conference screen was really something to behold! :star_struck:


I believe (and I’m not a NASA scientist) that the ice will change the wing shape and it no longer is calibrated to the AoA reading? I could be wrong though…


I think it changes the angle of incidence from.memory but feel free to correct me


I dunno…I’d have to go to “The Bible”:


lol, I am having a moment too. I am going to have to look it up.


When we select engine anti-ice on in the Citation - I think the AoA vane becomes biased to read “Vref” at Vref + 7 knots. That is all good and fine and should help keep you safe, but then you have to adjust your landing distance for the newly computed Vref since that 7 knots has to be lost in the landing rollout. Or something. LOL… That is why I loveAPG.


Yep, brain fart my end. Back to normal programming. Thank @BeachAV8R


Apologies for the thread hijack. So what is the angle at which the Tomcat wing will hit the pavement? LOL… :rofl:


One more thing that is (maybe) interesting on that topic. It used to be, for many decades, that most of us GA types were allowed to “polish frost” on our wings and still take off. Around ten years ago, apparently someone at some agency decided to do some testing on some airfoils, and they found that “polished frost” was not a good idea. Just plain old frost would reduce lift by 30%, and while polishing it would perhaps reduce that number…reduce it to what? So the FAA decided…no more polished frost for most people (I think light GA guys might still be able to do it). Now we are required to have a “clean wing”.


…stories of the carrier up in the Norwegian Sea…a 3 man “chain” of green shirts (squadron aircraft maintenance guys) standing on the wing of a Tomcat (the wing was sticking over the side), with the last (onboard) guy sweeping snow off the wing…Cold War days…I do miss it…:cold_face::slightly_smiling_face:


Because naval aviation isn’t hard enough…

“Hey Chief…did you put the snow-chains on the Intruders?”

“It was taken on Jan. 21, 1987, and it depicts an A-6E Intruder of Attack Squadron (VA) 52 on final approach for recovery on the snow-covered flight deck of USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) operating in the Bering Sea.”



Look like that A6 needs skis instead of wheels.



It could be a different scan but, at least for us, it’s meatball - linup - AOA.

You can also bring in the HUD for general SA but, until recently in the Rhino, it’s not really been a primary instrument you rely on to land at the boat.

Thankfully, no, I’ve never had to land without a working HUD. It does happen, though. I had a HUD fail during a catshot from the boat at night, which was really uncomfortable. Thankfully the magic turn it off and on again fixed it.


So I guess the follow up question would be - have you ever had a stuck or erroneous reading AoA indication?


Would this ever happen where one aircraft was also on the other waist catapult at the same time? Looks sorta sketchy…but I thought I saw a video once of a very closely spaced 4-cat shot once…