MSFS2020 Soaring Thread

I just had a fun flight in the Discus , revisiting a favorite area from the Arc-Alpin2 map for Condor 2. I winch launched from Chambery Challes-Les Eaux Airport (LFLE) and made my way down to Grenoble and back.

The winds were from the west, giving some excellent ridge lift, and extreme downdrafts if you strayed to the leeward side. It would have been a lot less challenging if I had remembered to raise my landing gear/wheel :crazy_face:

I should have taken some screen shots, but I was having too much of a good time in VR. @smokinhole Eric, you should give this a try if you have MSFS. :sunglasses:

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You guys are gonna talk me into getting MSFS …Gonna need another SSD…

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Few words of caution:

  • check @PaulRix badge displayed next to his avatar picture
  • think twice
  • and then finally get the MSFS as fast as you can!

You have been warned :sunglasses:

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:rofl: .

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I don’t but eventually I’ll get there. Thanks for thinking of me. Glad you’re having a great time. I wonder if the Condor2 crowd are starting to migrate over? MSFS certainly looks good enough. I am sure the atmospheric physics are capable of being at least as good as condor if they make that a focus.

Well, Condor2 has a lot going for it. Being built from the ground up for soaring sets it apart, plus the races/competitions are really well done. My only gripe is the VR support - great if you have a Rift or Rift S, but not so good if you have a WMR headset.

With MSFS, I am seeing believable ridge lift and sink on the leeward side of the terrain. The Winch launch simulation seems ok although not as exciting as in C2 . I haven’t explored how thermals work yet in MSFS.

I tested the Discus in VR today. Works nicely.

As for the thermals: stock MSFS has only very weak effects, except for ridge lift which feels great.

Kinetic Assistant can add thermals that feel nice and behave quite realistically.

If the official thermal simulation is at least as good as the thermals by Kinetic Assistant, just below cumulus clouds, then we are almost there.

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I flew a nice alpine route this afternoon, departing from Raron (LSTA) on a scenic flight to the Matterhorn and back…

Sat on the runway ready for the winch cable to be connected.

You control the launch using the tablet…

It doesn’t take much runway before I am climbing away.

You climb at a steep angle during a winch launch…

At the top of the climb I disconnect from the cable and pull the gear up.

Climbing a little higher before pressing on with the route.


Working my way up the valley towards the Matterhorn. I can’t see it yet, but it should be just around the corner to the right…

There is no mistaking it… Now, my problem is that the wind is coming from that general direction. If I am going to ‘climb’ the mountain, I need to get somewhere behind it. On this side, there is going to be a significant downdraft, and that is something I have to stay out of as much as possible.

Putting more altitude in the bank…

Eventually I am able to cross the valley and climb some more.

I then hopped across the valley again to the Matterhorn itself. Flying this in VR is epic btw…

After several trips back and forth in the strong updraft on this side of the mountain, I was able to reach the summit.

After circling the summit a few times, it was time to press on…

I followed a ridgeline that took me to Sion, which it a bit farther up the same valley as Raron, where I started.

About to turn down the valley towards Raron.

Raron ahead and the airfield is in sight.

After climbing the Matterhorn, I have a lot of excess altitude to get rid of. Time to deploy the spoilers.


On a high downwind about to turn base.

I drop the gear and crank her around the corner onto final.


Looking good…stabilized and lined up.

Easy does it…

With some fancy stick and rudder work, I was able to keep the wingtips from touching the runway before I came to a stop, at which point she just settled to the left.

This is a lot of fun. I can see I will be losing a lot of my sim time to flying gliders now.

The overall route…


Here you can see where I worked on gaining altitude to reach the Matterhorn, and then climb up it’s west side.

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And after all that, they just updated the aircraft with a long list of additions and changes…

OFFICIAL CHANGELOG (VERSION 1.0.1.):

  • Updated Winch Control to Version #2 (MAJOR UPDATE)
  • Added New Canopy Hinges (3D Model)
  • Added New Textures for Hinges
  • Added Sound on Large Window (Increases Volume with Airspeed if Open)
  • Added Sound on Small Window (Increases Volume with Airspeed if Open)
  • Added Sound on AC Vent (Increases Volume with Airspeed if Open)
  • Added Clunk Sound on Air Brake Locks
  • Assigned Ballast Valve Open/Close to Landing Light Hotkey
  • Fixed Brake Sensitivity
  • Fixed Ability to Use Right and Left Brakes
  • Fixed Gear Locked on Ground
  • Fixed Registration Number Issues
  • Fixed Apron Spawning Issues
  • Fixed VR Camera Issues
  • Fixed Loading Tips
  • Fixed Checklist Name to “MacCready Ring”
  • Fixed Showcase Livery Texture Issue
  • Set Variometer to Total Energy by Default
  • Improved Adverse Yaw
  • Improved Static Stall Behavior
  • Improved Gyro Stability to Aid Recovery of Deep Spins
  • Improved Elevator Effectiveness
  • Improved Wing Sensitivity to Turbulence
  • Improved Wing Flex and Fixed Left/Right Individual Flexing
  • Included Additional Soaring - Standard (No Wind) Weather Preset
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Awesome!
I definitely have to check out the Matterhorn as well.

I just flew the Mach Loop in the Discus :D… It is a bit windy today, so there is plenty of ridge lift to tap into. It was my slowest ever run through the loop, but a lot of fun. I flew out of the small grass strip at Tallybont (EGUI).

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I’m a copycat, so I flew to the Matterhorn just like @PaulRix did.

However I wanted to do it a bit differently, so I started my flight at Courchevel (LFLJ) and ended at Aosta (LIMW)
In fact I contemplated flying to Mont Blanc from there, and then to the Matterhorn, but I guess that would have been a bit too long of a flight.

The plan turned out to be like this: Fly east, gain some altitude, hop over the Col de Palet, past the Pointe de Calabre, follow the Aosta valley to the town of the same name, then head north to the Lac de Places de Moulin, and use the ridge lift near the steep slopes of the Dent d’Hérens to get to the north side of the Matterhorn. Climb, climb, circle it if possible, and then head back to Aoste and land.

Discus 2c, July, wind 320 at 6 knots, few clouds.

Sadly I didn’t take a lot of screenshots until I was already north of Aosta, because I flew the whole thing in VR, and frankly I was too busy surviving and looking at all the graphical awesomeness to take screenshots.
It was absolutely mind-blowing. I feared that I would get nauseous but I was fine. Sweaty though. Flying near those huge mountains is no joke when you have no engine.

If you have the sim you definitely have to check out the Alps.

Here is Lac de Places de Moulin

My first glimpse at the Matterhorn.

Closer…

Now directly north of it. The wind blew right up there, felt like an elevator ride.

…aaand above it. Magnificient. That must be the largest Toblerone I’ve ever seen.

I switched to 2D to take a few pretty screenshots.
This is the Matterhorn from the east. Dangerous when the wind is coming from the northwest. I made sure to stay above the ridges, but I was sinking drastically there.

The summit as seen from the southwest (while sinking with 7m/s or so). A lot of people died here. Since it was first climbed 150 years ago, 587 people didn’t make it. I am glad that I am in a plane.

Back on the north side, and several meters lower.

The Zmutt glacier.

I think the tallest mountain over there partly hidden behind the clouds is Mont Blanc.

Breuil-Cervinia

And back to Aosta at high speed.

Descending into LIMW. I had a lot of altitude and speed. I damaged the plane on descend while switching from VR to 2D, I guess I oversped or something. There was a weird sound and then the GPS was gone.

On final.

And down. 1h35min and around 85nm if you don’t count all the circling. I also flew over three countries (France, Italy, Switzerland) in the process.

Here is the track.

Time for a Toblerone!

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Nice flight! The scenery really is amazing. I can only imagine how stunning it must be to fly in this area IRL.

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Wow, what a flight.

Btw. in one of the WUs, the Swiss ortho got an update and is much sharper (=higher zoom level) than the average. Not sure about the French Alps though…

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Yeah there are differences in quality.
But IMO even the worse parts look pretty great.

I started last year taking lessons to one day become a glider pilot. I really am impressed by Condor 2 and how lift ridge, thermals and winds behave. Equally impressed how the gliders handle. The only nitpicking I can do is the graphics.

I do have msfs 2020, how’s the thermals and ridge / wave / winds feeling when gliding? Is it worth trying it out yet or wait for some more patches to the weather engine etc?

Cheers.

poor. but good enough for sightseeing, not sure there a reason to wait - best decision is enjoy every option you have at the moment.

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Agree. Not realistic (yet). But fun already. :slight_smile:

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nice adventures there guys :+1:

there is good book from André Guex about Hermann Geiger who flew also in this part of the alps

The experiences of author’s [Hermann’s] pioneer flying of ski-fitted plane in the Alps, developing glacier & snow landing techniques, & accounts of rescues of climbers & skiers involving daring glacier landings.

he started his flying career as glider pilot. then his alpine rescue adventures were in motor planes and also helicopters.
unfortunately glider was also involved in fatal collision which cost his life.

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Last night I flew an enjoyable flight out of a fictional freeware airstrip in the Alps:
https://flightsim.to/file/26167/od-gliding-soaringclub-lsod

It was pretty epic in VR. I was able to climb up to 15000ft using ridge lift and made my way south to the Matterhorn before flying back. Landing was quite a challenge because there was a severe downdraft on short final that dragged me down below the landing strip, at which point I had to fight to keep the glider airborne, and then work my way back up for another attempt. Eventually I was able to land but it wasn’t pretty. :grimacing:

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