Official support means 4800 Mhz (edit: 5600?). 6000, while the regular goto, is not official!
I‘m on mobile, can‘t read the article right now. Just wanted to make sure you don‘t fall into that trap.
That list is the compatibility list and it states that it supports this kit at 6000MT/s running two 48GB DIMMs. I am not too worried about that as 6000MT/s is nothing crazy. Of course they note that any XMP/EXPO setting higher than 5600MT/s might not run stable depending on the silicon lottery but I don’t think it will be much of an issue.
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No, 4800 is still the official JDEC standard but in the notes at the bottom they state that in some cases XMP/EXPO settings higher than 5600MT/s might not run stable depending on the CPU. Basically they say that anything up to 5600MT/s will most likely run with any Ryzen 9000 CPU.
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Coming back to this now.
I will definitely go for the 9800X3D, it is the same price, more performance it seems.
As for the rest: I still want to go below 1000€ for the graphics card in order not to exceed my limit of 2500€ total.
Probably still aiming for AMD, too. The only Nvidia card I could afford would be a 5070 I guess.
Now, I see conflicting info about that 9070 XT chipset by AMD. Is is any good? Does the PCIe5.0 do anything? It is 200€ cheaper than the 7900XTX which used to be (maybe still is? Is there something coming soon?) the fastest AMD card, with a lot more VRAM, too.
I read a few benchmarks but there is something weird about them. The results seem to differ wildly.
I just want to know what the best gaming GPU below 1000€ is. I thought it would be easy to answer that.
So yeah, once more any hints would be appreciated!
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The 9070XT is the best card you can currently get in terms of value for money. It can even run DCS VR reasonably well
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Great choice. It’s an absolute rocketship of a CPU. I am still deeply in love with mine after two months of owning it. I spent a bit more than you’re willing on a GPU and grabbed a 5080. I know it’s (too) expensive but it works really well in sims and VR.
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Not really, no.
One argument against a 7900 XTX is that it would not be able to run FSR4.
I feel like DLSS and FSR are here to stay, like it or not. All other methods of doing anti-aliasing are inferior, so for that reason alone we might have to enable it.
At least the new iterations don‘t suck completely anymore, according to Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus.
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I am a bit concerned about the 16GB VRAM, compared to the 7900XTX’s 24GB.
But then… man, it is cheaper, and newer so supports the new tech.
And 16GB is still double of what I have now, so I probably shouldn’t be too concerned.
Edit: OK, checked another benchmark site (Techpowerup never heard of it before but it has a nice list).
They say the 7900XTX is only around 10% faster than the 9700XT. Probably not worth 200€ in my book.
Also: I almost choked when I looked at the stats. 48 Teraflops in FP32??? Holy cow, my whole current PC has 12 TFLOPS or so.
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Techpowerup is probably the best site to compare GPUs. Their reviews and GPU teardowns are top notch
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Good to know, thanks!
9070XT would have been my choice. Not only FSR4 but also the much improved ray tracing performance compared to the previous generation AMD cards makes this a no-brainer.
7900xtx should go down in prices.
And here’s the issue. The current market is broken. Prices for two year old designs are not moving. New cards are sold way above the recommended list prices. The 9070XT should start at 689 EUR. Yet when I looked last month you still had to pay almost 200 more for a bare bones model.
Prices are slowly going down but I was tired of waiting. So I went with a 7800XT for under 500 EUR. It’s more than enough for 1080p and pancake. Let’s see how the market looks like in a few months.
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Given recent reports, do your research on the mobo you get. The failing 9800X3Ds may be defective, or it could be bad mobos doing something that’s frying them, especially Asrock it seems.
As I’m not in the market right now, I haven’t paid overly close attention to it, but I recommend you do so before you buy one and plop that CPU in.
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I used to be an Asus fan in former times, but last year (I think?) I heard about problems with their BIOS/Firmware.
Have those been solved?
If yes then an ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-F might be a candidate I think.
Those were 2 separate issues. The ASUS one I thought was Intel 13th/14th gen related, not AMD? Meanwhile the Asrock one was AMD Socket 7 but not Intel?
Then ASUS was getting called out for shady warranty support, not related to the Intel issue specifically?
It’s hard to keep them all up to date in my head, which is why I said whatever is picked…research that model and company first to make sure it’s not one of the risky ones! I’m not going to say X is fine and Y is bad because I don’t want you to take my word for it, I want you to be aware of the pitfalls but confident of your final choice!
I have had ASUS boards going back to the 90s. Not exclusively, but I think for my last 3 6700/9700/12700 boards I have. Their quality with the Pentiums back in the day was heads above what I saw some other board makers putting out.
I would not blindly go that route if I was upgrading today. They seem to have had the same “cut corners AND raise prices to double the profit!” mentality that has befallen many others in recent years.
Board partners are like car brands. There is zero reason to be loyal. They all f up at some point.
Go by country if you want to avoid state sponsored code in your UEFI… 
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Aren’t literally all large motherboard manufacturers Taiwanese? 
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From the top of my head I couldn’t name one that isn’t Taiwanese 
All the big ones are afaik.
You should be fine with an Asus board. There have been a few reported cases of 9800X3Ds dying on Asus boards but those are in the single digits if I remember correctly. The total number of recorded cases is a bit over 100 dead 9800X3Ds and at least in case of ASRock where most of these failures happen they are replacing the failed parts and are investigating the cause. I wouldn’t worry about it tbh. If it dies you send it back and get a replacement. Annoying, but the likelihood of it happening is very, very slim.
The ASUS warranty bullshit isn’t an issue in the EU anyway because it simply doesn’t fly over here and as long as you are within the two year window you send it back to the shop you bought it from anyway and they deal with the warranty claim
I am really happy with my Asrock Taichi Lite. It’s expensive but my computer is not built with cost savings in mind.
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Help. I havent done this for years and I’ve never done an AMD one that worked properly.
I don’t mind spending, i just want the absolute best i can get without “overspeccing” for gaming.
I’ve never bought a new pc either. Only ever nearly new.
Whats the difference between ryzan 9 and 7?
How does the 7900xtx compare to a comparable intel card?
I’m not ready to buy. I’m just trying to get more information and find the best deals
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My advice is to really find a processor that ends in X3D, these are part of the line that are most optimized for video games. As you can see in this benchmark, It’s all the X3D’s variants that are currently parsing in the top for games. Price-wise, I think the 7800X3D would sit closely to the CPU that you have currently chosen.
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Ryzen 9 and 7 the difference is the amount of cores. Irrelevant for gaming, relevant for heavy duty workloads. So there is no overspeccing. It‘s a choice based on what you want/need.
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For gaming the X3D 8-core chips are miles ahead. No need to even consider anything else.
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Intel does not have GPUs in the performance range of a 7900XTX. At least not yet.
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You should consider that AMD 7xxx GPUs can only do FSR3, which is not very good upscaling/Anti-aliasing. It looks quite bad.
With an AMD 9xxx GPU you can get FSR4, and first comparisons show that it‘s good enough. Better than Nvidias DLSS3 but slightly worse than DLSS4.
Why is FSR/DLSS interesting at all? Because wether you like it or not, future games will build on it. Best current examples are Stalker 2 and Wukong.
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I assume you meant Nvidia there?
A 5070Ti would be roughly as fast.
The 7900xtx is the fastest AMD GPU, but it is old generation, which means that it’s advantage over a new generation is less than one would think in some games, because the new cards can use the new tech functions. (See Poneybirds’ post)