Hmmmmm… 
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That video has nothing disappointing about it. There is no discussion of DLSS, only split screen gaming comparing the two GPUs, with the RTX 5090 way ahead.
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And on another forum the veracity of the video has been questioned, saying it’s probably fake even though the TDP of the card being tested seems to be on track.
Your mileage may vary
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just go AMD… problem solved.
Yeah, what was so disappointing here?
I don’t get it…
Without the “Disappointing…” it’s less likely that it would have earned any attention and get posted here. So, it worked.
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Now that’s disappointing…
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Apparently some people were believing they should see 25% or better performance improvement in apples-to-apples comparisons. Using new technology to improve performance without needing to do it all the old way? Not acceptable!! Only if the old way is also much better so you can ignore the tech if you don’t feel like it!
Remember when no one bought multicore CPUs because the only way forward is a single threaded core running at 5, 6, 10GHz?
I still think the 4090 and 5090 are ridiculous HALO products with the gap to the 80s below them ridiculously large, but if you can’t tell that isn’t doing a bunch of new stuff instead of doing it the old way much faster, does it matter to how the games play?
Sure it means games that don’t support it won’t see much improvement, but those are older games right? So…get a 4090 or 3090 or whatever if you only care about older games. And there should be plenty of leftover performance for older games in the 5000s anyway.
The new games will use this tech and the new cards will benefit, so if you care about NEW games then this is worth looking at.
Intel screwed up when it released a new CPU that not only wasn’t faster, it was at times barely keeping even with the previous gen. It used a bit less power so if you have 10 of them on 24/7 your electric bill will notice it, but so what? Ironically, their new GPU is getting positive reviews although it can’t compete with AMD or nvidia’s top cards, but is a good mainstream alternative now. That’s not what nvidia did, though.
Can you imagine someone test driving a hybrid car and insisting on turning off the electric motor to see how it accelerates and such in gas-only mode? “Oh, it’s slower! Oh, it uses more gas! Oh, it doesn’t accelerate as well as this traditional gas-only car!” Yeah, it was designed to use them together and works far better using the new and old side by side. The electric side of the hybrid isn’t there for some rare occasion you might need it, you’re ridiculous to disable it as now you’re lugging batteries and electric motors around that are only detrimental instead of complementary.
Calling it “fake frames” because you don’t like the method generating them when they are otherwise indistinguishable from what you call “real”? Please.
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Every Year I have to laugh at Nvidia Launches. Aimed clearly at the uninformed newbies. Nvidia CEO stands up there and say “This Year it is Different than EVER! This makes every GPU you bought from us (just last year) Obsolete. You should be ashamed to still be using last year’s GPU. This Year…50% MORE FRAMES!!!”
Reality… 10 to 14% more performance. And No, you dont need a 4090 or 5090 to run DCS. Nice cards, mind you. And if you bought a 4090 or 4070ti like I did, you should expect it to last you a few years or else Nvidia is an unsustainable product that should not be supported. Well, that is what their advertising says to me. I think a little transparency and integrity would go a long way to make Nvidia more credible. But, I’m not in advertising… So, whatever floats your boat Nvidia…
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Nobody who cares about money is buying a 5090 to replace a 4090.
Nobody with money to spend is buying a 4090 once the 5090 becomes available (except for fringe cases or collectors).
These halo products are irrelevant to the average consumer.
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The reality is that they went from 5 nm to 4 nm, so in all there isn’t that many more cores they were able to cram in there. What they did though, was pump about 25% more power for an approximated 25% more performance. So in that sense, having new logic to optimize results makes a lot of sense. Also, those cards have been slowly transitioning from gaming cards to AI cards, since that’s how the market is moving (or did Nvidia stock triple in price because of VR gaming and I’m not aware of?), so it is natural that they come up with ways to taka advantage of AI processing for games, since developing AI processing nodes is much better for their stock prices. We are transitioning from gaming GPUs that serendipitously can do secondary tasks such as mining or AI, to going to AI GPUs that can do gaming on the side. That said, there is some impressive technology making it possible, I would not dismiss it all up front, even if most of it don’t fit our niche necessities. But yeah, those comparisons were absolutely not disappointing, unless all the 5090 titles were using 4x frame generation, lol. I am certain that the 5080 comparisons will be much better for the clickbait title.
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I wouldn’t call them halo products, they are simply not aimed at the gamers but of course they are the consumer version of their a series cards
The jump from a 3090 to a 4090 was incredible, you can’t expect that for every generation and while a roughly 30% uplift is below the average of the last few gens it’s certainly not nothing. I am buying the 5090 to have a card for the next 4 years or so. I’ve had the 3080ti for about 2.5 years now and if it wasn’t for the lack of VRAM I would probably stick with it for longer.
What I find absolutely bonkers is for how much money used 4090s still sell. If I had a 4090 right now I would sell and upgrade, no question about it. The prices are simply that insane.
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On Ebay, there seems to be a lot of last minute panic selling as people try to get rid of their old cards and hopefully get some cash towards a 5-series upgrade…
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In the OP’s video, I calculated the fps improvement from the averages displayed using the formula:
New fps - Old fps to get the difference in frames per second, then divided that result by the Old fps to get a performance improvement percentage.
Spiderman 124fps vs 195fps: +57%
RDR II 117fps vs 174fps: +49%
Ghost of Tsushima 165fps vs 246fps: +43%
MSFS 96fps vs 142fps: +48%
Forza Horizon 5 192fps vs 284fps: +48%
God of War 122fps vs 185fps: +52%
Cyberpunk 2077 88fps vs 136fps: +55%
No matter what technology used, if the image quality is the same or better, where is the disappointment in the results? Compared to previous series, that’s quite an improvement, IMHO.
Over those 7 games, there is an average 50.29% improvement in fps.
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I love your post @chipwich. But I hope you don’t mind if I make some modifications to help you sell it.
First, we need a picture of you looking angry and perplexed. As I recall, you’re a pretty good looking dude. We can correct that on the thumbnail shot by you frizzing your hair like you haven’t slept for a week. Wear a t-shirt with an ample layer Cheetos crumbs on the front. Puff your cheeks so it looks like you haven’t exercised since 7th grade gym class. Complete the look with a facepalm to accentuate your perplexitude.
Title the piece “Nvidia…Disgusting! Over-priced and UNDER-delivered!” Steal the artwork and font from a Batman comic—like where he hits a bad guy and next to him is a spiky speech bubble saying “WHAM!”
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Pretty funny. I probably sound like I’m defending the fleecing that NVidia lays on us with every new series of cards. I don’t mean to. It was just that usually it is only a 15-25% gain at most and I thought that for a change these numbers looked like tangible gains, in spite of the click-baiting title. FWIW, I could never justify buying the x090 anyway. x080 is usually at the upper end of my comfort zone price wise.
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My 3080 will be fine for a few years yet. And if DCS gets to the point where ED suggests I need a new card, I’ll take that as them saying that I need a new sim.
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I agree, but we should be careful blaming ED for our own choices - I’m feeling bad about my current system … but it’s because I just upgraded to a Quest 2 from an old mixed reality system, but am expecting the same performance (I didn’t want to upgrade, but between M$ deciding not to support it any more and Lenovo’s excellent build quality that ensures it never breaks and can always be repaired, my hand was forced).
My previous system, that my current system absolutely crushes, runs DCS just fine at pretty good visual settings on a flatscreen 1080p monitor…
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For me the VR flight sims are the only reason to even consider RTX ?090 cards.
Anyways, not going to upgrade from 4090 for now.
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Just read the review on IGN and they’re positing that maybe the reason it’s not more is the 4090 was already so fast that with the 5090, even at 4k with a 9800X3D, there’s a CPU bottleneck?
DLSS 4 frame gen is all on card, so CPU isn’t the issue, but with 3 the CPU did some of the work and if it is just not possible to do it more than 10-15% faster than a 4090, we’re waiting on the NEXT next gen CPUs to really see what a 5090 could do.
That would also explain why the lower 5080s and 70s may get a bigger jump, because they’re not CPU limited yet.
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