Awesome!! I know how you feelā¦.Trust Meā¦You bought a quality product and I know youāll be happyā¦I find myself flying The Viper just so I can use The Throttle 
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Evening allā¦am i correct in saying that this stick doesnt have a twist axis so id need to get rudder pedals?
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Hello,As far as I can tell from this reviewā¦No it doesnāt appear the stick has a twist axis
Not necessarily. I donāt have the F-16 HOTAS (yet), but I do have the winwing F-18 throttle & stick.
I donāt want rudder pedals, so when needed, I map the TDC on the throttle to the rudder z-axis.
Just to offer an alternative for ya.
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JK
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There is an optional Z axis addon for the stick base. I forget if itās for the Orion or Taurus base or both, but it might not be both.
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I ordered my Winwing F-16 Orion2 throttle today. Im super excited.
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Same. No shipping/delivery estimate here yet.
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You wonāt be disappointed. Itās a great piece of kit!
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Did you guys get/see the new āForce Feedback ā Stick/Base?
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Force sensing != Force feedback.
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My wallet cant lookā¦ okā¦ maybe a little. Yup, they will have a grand of my money before this is over.
F-16 Thottles that converts to collectiveā¦
Force Feedback Returnsā¦
Have i gone Mad?! Is it all real?
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Youāre going to love it. Setting up the throttle bracket is a bit wonky but once everything is aligned it is easy peasy.
That force-sensing grip is tempting! Arrrrrgh!
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I had to play that video actually in 0.25 of its original speed to understand it properly but thumbs up from me 
- force sensing tech with slight physical movement
- symmetrical dual cam design
- damping design to resemble helicopter cyclic
and all in single base, impressive 
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Yeah, that video was hard to follow concerning the āforceā thing.
However, If it was the gizmo embedded in the grip, then thatās already there; the combo in the video appears to be no different (other than the current one that you have to order separate cams and such right now).
And I will not be turning that āonā based on research: it āsensesā data from DCS (in my case) via a lua script (automatically installed 
) that āpollsā the game. And it does this way too often, bringing down FPS. Thereās a YT on this too, somewhere, Iāll lookā¦
This one doesnāt address the FPS issue, the next one doesā¦
Here he shows a way around it - cus WW is doing this automatically. Noting that I donāt have mine yet there may be another way to shut this off, possibly in the supporting software by now.
I like the idea of it but from feedback Iāve read the FPS drop may not be worth it. Also note that this is, IMO, a scaled-down version of my Seat-Shaker rig ā if it is popular enough maybe ED will support this within the program and not have to use lua scripting; I would imagine this would help haptic feedback users across the board (minimize the latency).
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PS: Based on the email I got a day or so ago, if you ordered the Orion 1 they will ship version 2. Email isnāt real clear, likely due to the translation, but thatās how I read it.
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Nice, thanks for the link. Assuming the email was correct they are sending this one instead of the Gen1 Orion base. If so, this is a step above my experience with the Virpil throttle.
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Gen 1 base no longer on the site, so I would think that means they arenāt selling them now.
I ordered a gen 2 stick base too but without the MSFFB. One, they didnāt have those in stock yet, and two I donāt care about force sensing and while the hold in place thing is nice (my old Logi G940 FFB did it) itās not worth going from $215 to $380 or whatever for it.
As I already had both Viper and Hornet grips, I will put the Hornet one on the gen 1 base permanently and have the Viper on the new one.
I thought about and finally dismissed getting the orion 2 throttle base. One, space! Two, not enough of a jump over 1. Three, not all metal.
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