Civil Aviation Ministry of Information thread

The helicopter is a Finnish Coast Guard AS332.

The tractor sank while ploughing an ice skating route in an urban archipelago area in Helsinki.

I’m guessing @BeachAV8R is right re training opportunity, but I also would say that the eyesore, the ridicule and the noise from complaining environmental groups etc. would not have been insignificant if the tractor was left there - basically it’s in the middle of Helsinki suburbia, surrounded by apartment buildings. It’s not really acceptable in Finland to leave something “untidy” like that on a public place - there would be hell to pay.

A lot of those water areas are very shallow too, so getting a big enough crane boat there come summer might not have been an option.

Just guessing, of course!

It’s even better in the SwAF livery.
HKP 10 (Helicopter 10)

No, that was the AW EH101, if memory serves.

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I’ll defer to you then. My company has a couple of smaller tractors we use as aircraft tugs, and I know the John Deere was a little over $20k, and looked to be about half that size.

I’m not an expert though, by choice. Grew up on a farm, and decided I wanted as little to do with farming and tractors as I could!

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And now something from the popular category “bad ideas in aviation”:

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my first question would be WHY!.. its not like you can re-connect the tow rope … :grin:

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I’ve never seen this being done with a 747 before …

I would love to fly a 747 like that in a sim all day long, but for real, not so much…

Wheels

That would be my 1st question as well. It took considerable skill. But it was not a tow by any definition. He maybe got 30lbs of borrowed thrust for a few seconds. Had the rope wrapped around his arm, well, how do you say “Hold my beer while I lose my arm” in German?

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Exactly. There is no way he can actually tow the plane that way.

How much force is on a tow rope for an average glider anyway?

Good question. It depends on the glider of course.
I think I used to know a rule of thumb. Had to do with the glider’s weight IIRC. Right now I can only guess (will look it up tomorrow). A few hundred kg of force (yes I know I should use Newtons) surely.

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I found a nice little page that explains the math behind it. It is about paragliding and winches, but the same physics apply:
https://sites.google.com/site/floridaparaglidingclub/Resources/building-a-winch

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I tow rope must be able to handle between 80% and 200% of the weight of the glider it is towing. If the rope is capable of more than 200% then a weak link must be installed. The human hand however is probably capable of a grip that’s, errr, let’s say a little less than the weight of the glider. I believe we can call the guy in the video the, ahem, “weak link”. Did you see that?

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To put this into perspective:
Even if we use a fairly light glider like an LS4 we are talking about 240kg of weight.
Even an SG-38 (which can barely be called a plane to be honest) is 100kg.

So if we use a low number (80% of the glider’s weight + 70kg pilot) we are talking about holding 136kg. In one hand. Doesn’t sound like a great idea.

and that would be 136kg constant, imagine you hit some turbulance or if the tow rope went slack…

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Yeah it would be the optimal situation. In reality the numbers are significantly higher.

Interesting spotting of Stratolaunch. I wonder if it will ever fly again. Kind of a boondoggle project I guess at this point. I can’t imagine what it costs to keep that hangar cooled (if at all).

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Holding 150kg in one hand is doable, for a short bit. I mean, I can. But I’m not 70kg. You wouldn’t want to wrap the rope around your wrist though!

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I weigh 75ish kilos. That 2 of me. In one hand.

Now I don’t doubt a big dude like you could hold 150 in one hand. I’ve seen it done

But 2 of me would be wriggling like a m*********r :crazy_face: