Falcon BMS Discussion

Congratulation! You got excellent result because your mission was DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses) and you destroyed Fan Song which is fire and tracking SA-2 system, without it SA-2 isn’t threat.

Need to mention it: “No sim can do what this one can do.” That’s partly true. You don’t have to agree with me but DID F-22 Total Air War in their dynamic campaigns offer the same experiences as Falcon 4/BMS.
Of course Falcon 4 is more realistic game in general, especially BMS versions, and there is ground war implemented fully. I had to mentioned it as guy who won the most difficult dynamic campaign in TAW. Dynamic campagin systems in TAW and Falcon 4 (BMS) is still the best what you can play nowadays. Those two flight simulators are closer to itself then people think despite of realism of Falcon 4/BMS.

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Rapier, IMHO, a 1080ti will be the absolute minimum GPU one can use with most games in VR. I can tell you that MSFS 2020 is not one of them. The other issue is that the VR experience is highly subjective, and what is acceptable for one pilot, may literally send another reaching for a sickness bag.

If I had to base my opinion of VR on a minimal hardware spec rig, I would probably come away with a sour taste. On the other hand, perhaps BMS has discovered some sort of secret sauce and trying out the VR experience would be the catalyst for upgrading your rig.

As much as I’m adicted to VR, I’d feel better recommending that you find someone using an HMD with a game rig of similar specs and spending a good hour under the hood. Good luck sir.

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Edit: from page 20 of the user manual, “Falcon BMS now integrates a flavored version of “Alternative launcher” to ensure a better experience with setting up their controllers and get an access to the Falcon BMS wider ecosystem.”

So, after toying around with my rekindled love, I thought; I wonder how the DCS Falcon looks now?
So I checked…
Ok, let’s just say that there is a difference…! :open_mouth:
But still, the F4 BMS graphics looks like something that belongs in a military F-16 sim, and it is…I’m not going to say old, but…ok, old.

Still devilishly impressed with what the BMS gang has accomplished here.
Will be interesting to see where they take this old girl from here…

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Somewhat your point Troll, because Enigma discusses the fundamental design differences between DCS and Falcon 4.0, and how their evolution affects our sim experience. IMHO, without bashing one sim or the other, I find it hard to fault his analysis.

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Watched this a few days ago so working from memory…some random musing here:

  • thought the title was closing in on hyperbole. But that’s to be expected when the ultimate goal is attention.
  • as far as the experience of flight, without duck-taping my entire rig to a centrifuge, we have it great now.
  • maybe we live in a time where people need to be entertained instead of entertaining themselves?

On that last point: DCS is good In this regard (sandbox nature) IMHO, and may be why I’ll stick with it as my primary source (still away from home so haven’t tried BMS 4.37 yet).

However input from creators in the mission editing section seems to be at best a low priority. This is THE group that can expand DCS in ways the devs can’t, if given a complete toolset. Think MSFS. If Ms ever does another Combat Flight sim then lookout DCS.

I don’t recall BMS having any method to allow me to go outside the box. Not necessarily a bad thing just a limiter.

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Can’t wait to see how it looks. Eye candy is important but not, to me, something that should “fill the room” leaving little space for gameplay. I just need “stuff” on the ground to give me a sense of speed. That stuff doesn’t need to represent any real place either.

Do they still use “billboard” style clouds? If so DCS has IMO the best ones. BB clouds and tiled terrain are the only things I recall from 4,32 that stood out negatively concerning graphics.

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MS has no commitment to do another combat sim and has expressed they don’t even want weapons visible in MSFS2020.

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We have choices. I like the “world” that BMS gives me. It’s not pretty by 20xx standards. But it works. It makes neurons fire in ways DCS simply can’t. “Rotorheads” comes close but often at 15 FPS. So, I’ll take a DX7 look and feel if the reward is performance.

Post edit: As for “Sim Dark Age?” What a load of clickbait!

These are the golden ages baby! I look back a FalconAF, Stealth Fighter, Janes, Fulcrum (precursor to Flanker) and Red Baron and feel confident in claiming to see them for what they were: pinhole views of what we now have. We cherished them because we were young and equipped with keen imaginations. The kid I once was would have played none if it but for the hope that it would someday be like this. The classics had one thing going for them: a GAME to cover for the lack of SIM. We mostly lost that after IL2:1946. It was never lost within the Falcon family.

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Agreed 100%. I’m not going to abandon DCS. But I did abandon BMS when I became dependent on VR. It wasn’t a bye-bye forever but a see you soon. And now that time has come, and if I’m going to fly an F-16, it will probably be in BMS. If I’m flying a Hornet, Harrier, Viggen or a Huey, it’ll be in DCS.

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I dabbled a bit with it, and haven’t ruled out dabbling some more, including trying that glorious campaign again… But tbh, I am too much of a sucker for the very shiny visuals, sounds and flight modelling of DCS. I got it running acceptably, and am content with scripted and/or very simple missions. Fly the jet, blow the thing up. I’ve learned to be content with that. I remember playing Total War, and it was glorious, but it also took all of my headspace, and that’s something I don’t have to give anymore.

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Yeah, that is an issue… Starting a fully fledged Falcon4 campaign requires time and continuity.

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We finally got it all and now we’re too old and tired and busy to enjoy it.

Being a grown up is bull.

My son spent about 6 hours yesterday trying to get a rocket bus up a hill in beamng. Over and over and over.

God i wish i had even half of his attention span and a quarter of his free time :joy:

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I am old enough to remember playing airplanes and soldiers with old Avalon Hill board games. I also remember spending many hours playing Dungeons & Dragons and my Sci-Fi favorite, Traveller.

I must spend 50% of my time in the mission editor. You can do so much to create what-ever scenario you want and it’s only getting better.

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Perhaps they are a bit worried that there will be a group of flyers who begin shooting down civilian aircraft, creating all kinds of headaches and anger from their base civilian flight customers? Let alone PR issues.

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Because of integration of Alternate Launcher I spent +/-1 hour to figure out how to make official Warthog profile working properly because for example TRIM on joystick and all butttons on throttle didn’t work even I had loaded right profile in setup.

BTW AL can be still fully disabled and you can run Falcon BMS 4.37 with old way (setup) how was by design for BMS 4.33- 4.36. Just run “C:\Falcon BMS 4.37\Launcher.exe”
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In my scenario I wanted as usually to use profile from C:\Falcon BMS 4.37\Hotas\TM Warthog without MDFs although I have it. So, I just follow instruction but it wasn’t enough.

First I had to change order in file “C:\Falcon BMS 4.37\User\Config\DeviceSorting.txt” like you can see here:
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Default order was exactly same like in Windows USB Game Devices
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Then, I had to mark checkbox Launch without any setup override to make sure that DeviceSorting.txt change will be kept.

But this still didn’t help until I didn’t copy following files from C:\Falcon BMS 4.37\User\Config\Backup
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To C:\Falcon BMS 4.37\User\Config
Then everything works well like in BMS 4.36. To be honest previous BMS versions without native AL was better and easier to use.

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I’m wondering what you will say after you see new terrain. I know that the most of you are spoiled from DCS (eye candy). :sweat_smile:
Be prepare. Unfortunately, I can’t tell you more or publish any screenshot.

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On the BMS forum there’s a “looking ahead” video with a glimpse of the new terrain.

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It would be a separate title like Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator was, just like before of using the same underlying tech.

(sssh, I know a secret)
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Thank you for answer. Not sure if I understand well. Do you want to say that MSFS 2020 in VR will require more powerful GPU then 1080ti or that it’s ok because it’s civil simulation?