But the cards are twice as fast. When running Quake 2 in raytracing mode.
LOL
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Now, I haven’t read much of the hype. I tend to wait for FPS results from my peers. But did they state twice the performance? I read about twice the amount of CUDA cores… But the number of CUDA cores has never been linear to an increase in FPS, AFAIK…
Would be interesting to know what the 30XX series prices were if Big Navi wasn’t around the corner.
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I am laughing, but I did not make that joke!
I have to correct myself, though. It was Minecraft and not Quake II they used for that „Up to 2x Performance!!“ statement. Not sure which one has more polygons 
Here‘s the link to the chart:
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And that makes absolute sense. All the people I know buy top of the line cards to play Minecraft. Performance in Minecraft is extremely important. The 3080 makes the blocks look polished at 4k.
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Yes, it absolutely is the target market for people willing to shell out 800€ on a toy.
But hey, the target market is not behaving any better:
Nvidia marketing says: For some games, the performance is up to 2x when compared to a RTX 2080.
Haters understand: For all games the performance is always double when compared to an RTX 2080 TI.
Oh well. Either way I want it and it‘s only my rationality that is holding me back. At some point my feelings might rise up and get me into trouble. Again. 
Yeah but you think modern titles, not a first person shooter from the late 90’s! There’s a reason Half-Life, Red Alert and Quake are not modern benchmark titles. It’s very disingenuous and they knew exactly what they were doing, Nvidia is not beyond criticism on this at all.
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I agree. It‘s just the usual game, isn‘t it.
Still waiting for somebody to test a current CPU/MB combo in VR with huge resolutions in DCS. Some test that is actually relevant.
And MFS2020 in VR is sitting in the pipeline, that‘s going to leave an impression.
Depending on what you have now, it may be well worth the upgrade. Please tell me you got a 10XX or below. I never thought 800 pound Video Card and value would fit in the same sentence… but now that is the case.
True!
That’s because if the title is CPU constrained, you could have a 7090Ti from 2025 and it still will not go faster than a certain fps.
DCS cares about the CPU a lot, so unless you have an i9-10900k you probably won’t get as good performance as you want.
And Quake II with RTX isn’t a 90s title anymore. Try running it on a PC from the 90s and it would run under 1fps. It’s simply that the only thing about it that’s punishing is the RTX, the rest is quite simple, but the RTX is VERY punishing. Somewhere I saw a benchmark of Q2 RTX on a 1080Ti I think and the performance was awful. Cards without hardware RT just can’t do it.
Buying a 3080 when you have no games with RT in it, and don’t plan on getting any, means you are naturally not going to see what the card can really do.
Just look at the recent hubbub about Crysis Remastered. It was based on a 10 year old update of a 13 year old game and surprise, surprise, it was designed for the fastest dual core CPUs never made, not the current multicore jobs we have. So it maxes out 1 core big time and the rest most sit idly by while the visuals stutter. You can crank the detail up really high and the performance won’t really suffer anymore, but at the same time you won’t see more than 80fps in 4K in Crysis ever because no modern CPU can do more than about 5GHz on one core. Meanwhile Crysis 3 can use all 10+ cores on a CPU and run smoothly.
DCS needs to be recoded to take advantage of those cores, and that’s on ED, not nvidia.
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Fair enough but it’s not a modern title either, it just a tech demo from Nvidia for their own tech. Which is fine but again it’s not a realistic use case nor a commonly used benchmark.
There’s barely any games with RTX anyway so unless someone desperately needs it for the roughly 12 titles that have it then it is honestly not a point of comparison with any other GPU on the market. RTX is nice but not relevant just yet.
Absolutely, the past 6 years of intel dominating the CPU market with a lovely single core performance have also done no favours for multithreading. Though I have hopes that the market is changing to use it a lot better.
DCS being CPU limited can be fixed. Just run it in VR and turn that supersampling knob up a few notches.
There you go, GPU limited 
@Maico I got a 2080 in December 2018, thinking that it is so expensive, it has to run for 4 years or more. Doesn‘t look like 4 years now. More like 3.
3080 and 3090 use too much power. I was hoping for more bang but less heat. Not going to happen with this generation, it seems.
BTW: Two youtubers (jayz2c and IgorsLab) mentioned issues with their test cards and 1200 watt PSUs. So much for high end enthusiast premium hardware. 
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This is well put.
Nvidia also markets to the latest software technology. It’s not much different then complaining about an NVMe drive running at SATA speeds because your motherboard only supports SATA mode and not PCIe storage on it’s M.2 slot. The drive isn’t responsible for why your system can’t make use of it. (Or say a SATA III SSD on a SATA II interface).
The Nvidia launch showed that those 2x increases etc were not only rounded up but required RTX, DLSS, and higher resolutions, etc.
Multi-threading isn’t one stop solution either. There was a thread on the ED forums way back explaining how with each added thread you need calls to “synchronize” them. Split things up too much and those sync calls hold things back more than the MT benefits the program. Running MT on multiple cores is another thing from what I have read as well. It’s probably a very long road for ED in this regard even if they have the experience and expertise for that type of programming.
If we want performance tomorrow, we’d need to convince ED to make a FC4 (MAC perhaps?) type game on consoles where users can’t upgrade and so the software has to be optimized.
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@Poneybirds, Ahhhh so you feel my pain. I will pass this gen. Cant wait for that 4080Ti thou, LOL.
My PC’s, one has 1000 watt pwr supply the other a 1200W. Yeah… They are over 10 years old and running strong. 3080 would probably crush them. 3090 is never an option for me. Its like shopping for a Camaro and then saying, I think Ill go see what Ferrari has to offer. I dont run in them circles.
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Man this thread makes me so happy that I am not that much into VR. My 2070S does nicely in 1080p in all games I play, and I will most likely sit out this generation completely.
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2070S should do fine for most VR too.
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Needless to say, I don’t think we’ll see DLSS for DCS or Il-2. It requires nvidia to use banks of PCs to work it out, so only the biggest titles are getting it.
That said, it might be worth it at 4k but at 1080p when I’ve tried it things just looked fuzzier. Performance was about the same at that res too.
Sadly “most” doesn’t include Xplane or (presumably) FS2020, but yeah, most VR I have done works just fine.
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