NVIDIA RTX 3000 series

I think this is awesome!
Seriously…
There are important lessons to learn from this.
Wait and see, is one of them.
Wait until the cards are out in the wild, before buying. Sure, someone must go first but there are enough tech geeks and youtubers who get these cards for free. See what they have to say about it.

The fact that we have scalpers with shop bots, vacuuming the market for new cards is just a function of us customers being too eager to get the latest and greatest.

To me, this is great!

I waited. I’m still waiting to see if the 3000 series will be worth it.
A lot of info emerges that will let me draw my own conclusions, or just listen to what more knowledgeable people say about it all.

Caveat Emptor, let the buyer beware.

This is so much easier today, with all the worlds info just a few clicks away.

A seller, developer or manufacturer can only fool us, if we let them…

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Saw this from an article from CBC on autonomous vehicles but it fits - Gartner’s Hype Cycle.

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As always, people hear what they want to hear.

If they want to hear that the card is 2x better, they will. If they don’t want to believe that and look closer, they will then see the marketing speak which said “up to 2x” and then read that they claim that in a single game only. Ever pay attention to what those Geico commercials say about their rates? They actually claim nothing. They say “you may save up to 15% or more”. So that could be under, at, or more than 15% or maybe it will be a higher price and save you nothing! Totally meaningless. Yet some people will only hear “15%” and figure that is what they are promising.

However, the truth is this is a bigger leap than the previous gen. The 2070 was AS fast as the 1080, the 2080 was AS fast as the 1080Ti, but not for the same price as the previous gen. So instead of getting 1080 performance at a 1070 price, you got it for roughly the split in the price difference between them.
The 3080 is now AS fast or faster than the 2080Ti but for the 2080’s price. So that performance is now 50% less money and in some situations it will beat the 2080Ti.

The 3090 has shown to be what, 15% faster than the 3080, 20% maybe? For 100% more money? Definitely seems to be diminishing returns there. A rumored higher-RAM 3080Ti would probably offer 90-95% of what the 3090 offers for 75% of its price.

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Nvidia. One common complaint was the lack of proper drivers and design information from Nvidia. There were 2 stress tests for the AIB cards without any proper driver to run games with them. Rumour has it that this was done to possible leaks. But I think it works counter productive. from what I’ve seen the caps used aren’t cheap either, just used wrongly if this problem is what it is.

That is something that I thought might be the case.
You can put the same set of expensive tires on your Kia that you could put on a Ferrari and the Kia will still not drive as well. That doesn’t mean the tires are not good enough, it means the Kia isn’t good enough to drive as well as the Ferrari.

That said, traditionally there are always bottlenecks in some software that will prevent it from ever reaching the theoretical maximum. Whether there are other CPU-bound tasks that interrupt the GPU pipeline, or just other GPU-intensive tasks that prevent it from flowing as fast as it could (eg task A can work at 200% but task B only at 125%, yet since B appears often enough the entire thing slows down to its rate) is hard to know, but there is also likely going to be some software that will NEVER improve that much.

After all, if your title will do 60fps on a 2080Ti but only 80fps on a 3090, is it really worth a massive code rewrite just to get it up to 120fps because it supposedly should? Especially when you may not see much benefit on those 2080Ti’s and below? Or if the alternative is to strip out something that makes the visuals appealing and leave it looking last-gen just so everything scales.

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3090 on an ITX board

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That’s a literal brick. 3090 is thicc. Will definitely give “Big” Navi some confidence issues.

You mean an ITX board on a 3090! :astonished:

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review on VR performance!

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But of course he didn’t test any flight or racing sims. Because why would you? Ain’t nobody playing those!

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Well, lets take an overly simplified look - just for fun:

Sims make the most out of of yesterday’s technology, instead of the least out of today’s!

Also, they get the GPU’s provided - if they aren’t paying for that then how can we expect them to pay for a proper sim setup to conduct some tests! :grin:

Shame this won’t work for dcs :grinning:

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While C2 and C3 had great graphics, I didn’t care for the setting. I played the games and enjoyed the combat well enough, but neither NYC or a deconstructed NYC appealed to me like the island setting of Crysis and Crysis Warhead (oft forgotten but IMO very much a Crysis pt 2).

I played those 2 several times, but C2 and C3 I’ve only played 2x each (on release and then a couple of years ago) because they never grabbed me as well.

So far I’ve spent a couple of hours on Crysis Remastered as they work through the patches. No point playing it too fast. And I don’t care if Ascension was left out, like Crytek I never thought much of the level anyway.

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ok i was waiting before hitting the button on 3080 what AMD had to offer…

yesterday at the Ryzen speech they showed a preview of a “big navi” card… (don’t know which one) powered by a Ryzen cpu.

4k - highest level settings for 3 games…
on a ryzen 5900 (should be slightly faster than intel, but at 4k?)

here’s the table:

so seems faster than 2080ti but slower than a 3080 which should put it between 3070 and 3080…

drivers and rtx are probably better on nvidia
but a lower price and more ram could make amd competitive… will see…

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If real customers can buy it, it’ll be very competitive. :wink:

:sob:

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Don’t count your video cards before they’re installed!

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Valid advice for the last 3 years… It’s been a GPU wasteland for the budget constrained gamer.

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Such memories! Ye Olde shady New York street transaction…

Back on the day, as a kid, friends and I would travel to Chinatown and into abandoned lots to purchase fireworks for fourth of July from armed… Capitalists. While hoping they didn’t decide to just rob us.

I would guess nvidia cards are probably even more lucrative for the aspiring Street entrepreneur.

https://youtu.be/TCYwuyg47G8

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To be honest, I’m still liking my 1660 Ti just fine…