Originally published at: http://www.mudspike.com/vpc-mongoos-t-50-review/
Mudspike Contributor Jörgen “Troll” Toll shares his impressions of his recently acquired VPC Mongoos T-50 joystick. A newcomer in the PC flight simulator hardware market, a Belarus based company, Virpil has released its first flight controller, the Mongoos T-50 Flightstick. Being somewhat of a flight simulator controller aficionado I was intrigued by the design of…
Originally published at: http://www.mudspike.com/vpc-mongoos-t-50-review/
Great review, and fantastic photography as well.
Quite envious of that extension pipe (would be great for the Huey with that travel), plus those gloves as well
Thanks for writing this up @Troll
An extremely detailed and thorough article. Well done!
Good, I am seriously looking at this but waiting to see what their throttle comes out as.
Great review Troll!
I find this paid for advertisement review?
because as far as I know, VKB is the first to come out with interchangeable grips.
Also the MKII Pro Gladiator is the first to come out with a metal gimbal system, interchangeable grips and the 109 style german grip is interchangeable with the thrustmaster as well as the Virpil.
No one got paid for this review. @Troll bought the unit himself and was kind enough to write up his impressions.
If you have corrections (which are fine, and appreciated) then it’s best not start with an accusation of corruption.
Nobody paid me anything to write this review.
I stated in the review that I bought and paid the hardware. Mudspike.com has not received anything from Virpil to publish the review.
I wrote that Virpil was the first with a TM compatible stick grip.
The VKB joysticks accepts TM Warthog stick grips, with an adapter. You have to remove the TM connector and replace it with the VKB adaptor.
I used to own a VKB Black Mamba with a TM adapter.
As far as I know, you can’t use a VKB stick grip on a TM Warthog or Cougar base.
The Thrustmaster F-22 Pro was the first joystick I owned, that had a metal gimbal, back in 1998. I don’t know if this was the first metal gimbal, but neither VKB nor VPC made the first metal gimbal, and I have never said they did
Is it this grip you are talking about?
Can this grip be used on a TM Warthog base?
The website says:
“Compatible with VKB Gladiator Pro Mk.II and VKB Gunfighter bases”
In the sense of remove Warthog grip and bolt T50 grip or vice-versa Troll is right. VirPil is the first to offer this option “Bolt and Play”.
VKB option is not “Bolt and Play”, is need disassemble the Warthog grip, install a electronic adapter, replace the nut and connector of Warthog grip for use in BKB bases, and that grip loose their Warthog base compatibility.
Besides this is need update firmware, load buttons profile. All this represent unnecessary difficulties, and some buyers not achieve to do and even damage the Warthog grip internals. Are case of owner trying use VKB Gladiator PRO KG 12-A grip in VKB Gunfighter base and reveal not compatible due changes in electronics code in last versions.
Try use DView or DXTweak2 for calibrate, set deadzones… this softwares work in the same way that joystick makers calibrator work. Windows calibrator is obsolete.
"I wrote that Virpil was the first with a TM compatible stick grip."
your piece is a good writ, not to take away from that, in depth review is very good, myself I just thought it a little biased.
of course since you writ this piece I would be very proud of it too. as you can see I’m not a writer.
that is all.
I was going to buy that T-50 but the price point and the stamped metal gimbal wasn’t what quality I was looking for, the VKB stick I feel has a better metal gimbal and cam setup.
Virpil is by far I believe the first to make a mass produced commercially left handed joystick.
as far as,The Thrustmaster F-22 Pro; it didn’t even make a mark in the industry. it took 20 years to get a review. lol
ah the pro that’s the other one.
“TM Warthog base” why would you want to put a grip on a plastic gimbal system, the metal gimbal is far more accurate? you have to buy the adapter, it fits, they even have a youtube video on how to.
ah I see I was confused on this point. So the warthog can go on the VKB base got it.
I thought it was the other way around, sorry for the old man rant…
VPC delivered the first stick grip that is compatible with the Thrustmaster Warthog and Cougar bases.
The TM Warthog stick grip can be made to work with a VKB base but I don’t know how you could make a VKB stick grip to work with the TM Warthog base…
For the record I want to say that VKB makes excellent controllers, and they are about to release a TM Compatible stick grip.
I don’t rule out the possibility of me getting one of those as well…
I wrote that as a warning, in the review
Mega_mozg is hard at work on the VPC software.
I brought up the good and the bad, and as I saw it, there was more good than bad. The review should reflect that.
The gimbal of the VPC T-50 is made from machined aluminium. The cams seems to be stamped or cut steel.
The VKB gimbal is very good! Like I wrote above, I used to own a VKB Black Mamba. I also got the cam gimbal upgrade. It was very good! A little too light for my taste, since I used the extension and the heavy Warthog stick grip on it.
The new nylon “dry clutches” of the VKB Gunfighter looks interesting.
This is the F-22 Pro
I’d just like to chime in and say to any high end peripheral manufacturers that might be reading: While @Troll may be a diligent and scrupulousness reviewer, I am not not not one of those. Specifically if some company wanted to send me a Komodo UH-1 collective…
I finally got the chance to open my T-50. The shipment took almost one month from Belarus to Switzerland. Of course it finally arrived when I was on long vacation…
First impression on the stick is very nice. The extra cams do have an unpolished surface. Since my stick seems to be from the first batch that was sent out, I assume these are still the defective ones and I should request the replacement cams right away? I don’t want to open this thing up and fumble with it if these are the wrong cams anyway. Let’s just hope these do not take another month of shipment.
My major problem, now that I finally have it in my hands, I have not the slightest plan how to mount it on my Obutto. Anyone has any ideas? I don’t have tools, material or skills. Extra difficulty: The seat’s central mounting plate (to install the seat’s central Warthog mount) was welded on at an odd angle, both in pitch and bank. So far it didn’t bother me but now it might become a problem. I figured the best way would be separate the seat and the monitor-stand with some sort of spacer and then to install the T-50 base such that the stick extends between the upper mounting tubes (where seat and monitor-stand would connect).
Regardless of the final mounting solution, it seems I will have to order the extensions. Frankly I am not too happy with how they look like. I think they look like a user mod and not like an integral part of the product. I wish they would do a nice curved extension to facilitate mounting low and close to the lap:
Behold my CAD skills
This is the problem with the Thrustmaster interface.
If you put a S bend extension, you’re going to put rotational loads on the threaded interface, and possibly unscrew it.
That could be overcome by using a locking screw, or similar.
Do you have pictures of the seat, where you want to mount the stick? I had to manufacture a mount from wood, to test the stick. I’m going to make a better one from metal, when I have time…
I figured this might be the most sensible approach:
This way the stick is terribly far forward though. I can adjust by sliding the seat forward, but the overall seating position will be very steep on the rudder pedals (whose position is fixed by constrains of the monitor stand). Not optimal, but probably the best solution.
Here is my problem with the Obutto’s mounting plate though:
Note how twisted this is welded on. This is actually pretty shoddy quality for a product of this price. But getting the seat was such a huge monster shipment that I chosed to ignore it at that point, avoiding the trouble of sending it back for repairs.
Initially I thought the seat (right structure) and the monitor stand (left structure) could be separated and the box be placed between them, for the stick to extend between the upper horizontal tubes. But the vertical space between the upper and lower tubes is not sufficient to fit the gimbal box.
Another crazy idea would be this:
The box actually fits really nice in this space and the stick isn’t that much forward as with the backwards mounting. But there is probably no sensible way to firmly mount the thing.
Don’t you have an Obutto too? How do you intend to mount the T-50?
No, I have my home made SimBox.
I will make a mount out of sheet metal and some square tubing, that I will screw to the floor of the SimBox. Don’t have time now though…
What about replacing the U-shaped bracket with something like this:
Mount it to the frame screws of the Obutto, and directly to the four holes holding the U bracket to the base…?
That is looking really neat! It is also so compact that some additional 2-3 cm of closer mounting are gained over the default U-bracket. I think the top holes would need to be lower with the plate widening at a square angle, as otherwise the bottom of the gimbal-box will not fit above the lower tube of the monitor-stand. It is a rather tight fit actually.
How well do you think this would handle the torque in pitch? Especially as in my unique case, I could not fit it flush with the existing mounting plate on the seat structure (because it is tilled and twisted) and would have to somehow fumble in spacers to even it out.
Exactly, I have metal soldered extension on my cougar and I need to fix it in place in a particular way or suffer the nut coming off. I’ve made some CAD designs to fix this but haven’t had the motivation to build it, 3D printing is not THAT cheap unfortunately.