What we watching? – Mudspike at the movies

Loved what you wrote but kept the spoiler covered for now, I am surprised by the movie. In a positive way.

So I’ll enjoy the rest of it and come back to this.

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those river fording pic you posted, my god that must be terrifying for the driver

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Not as bad as you would think. Other than the water drip, drip dripping from the hatch the only real difference is that you can’t see anything through the periscopes.

The reason the turret is locked at 11 o’clock is so the driver can escape out through the gunners position - In the photo below the turret is at 12 and you can see the hull escape hatch that is directly behind the drivers seat.

Also the ‘fording pond’ takes half a day to fill, but will drain empty in less than a minute.

Only ever did it once though, on the day those photos were taken during driver training.

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Would that be the same in combat too? Could you unlock and return fire if needed? I doubt it, but could you?

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The reason the turret lock is engaged is to prevent inadvertent traversing. When the fording hydraulics are ‘pumped up’ it activates a series of of flaps and seals that close off all the external openings and includes a turret ring seal. If the turret moved it would destroy the seal.

The reason the gun is elevated is simply to keep it above the waterline for shallow fording. for deep fording with the tower for the CC hatch the Leo 1 could ford to a depth of 4m.

Locked at 11 o’clock so the hull monster (driver) can get out if needed.

So short answer is No.

Not while you are in the water, it isn’t possible to aim. The gun is at max elevation (or underwater). Once clear it takes less time for the fording hydraulics to depressurise than the approx 30 seconds for loader to unlock the turret (it is a manual process/lock). There would be other tanks providing overwatch to handle any threats that appeared anyway.

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Nice explanation mate, makes perfect sense, I hadn’t considered the turret sealing

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Does the drivers hatch open upwards and is it spring assisted, otherwise that would be a bas**** to lift with that water on top if the gun isnt at the 11‘oclock

still if that thing is filling up quickly getting through to the turret would be interesting to say the least

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With the gun at 11, there is a sizable gap for the driver to get to the gunners position. If the tank starts flooding he doesn’t escape via his hatch. The drivers hatch is only blocked by the turret when the gun is at 6 o’clock through to about 8 o’clock.

It is actually harder for the loader to escape if deep fording because he has to climb over the gun… which is another reason it is at full elevation.

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Almost halfway through- yeah I am a slow watcher - and the river fording scene annoyed me so much… I am not sure I’ll finish it.

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Keep going. The pay-off comes (literally) in the dying moments of the movie…

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Something else that I am finding out is that the roster of guest stars before they became famous is pretty impressive too. Even Stallone did a guest spot pre Rocky fame in an episode from Season 3 in 1975. :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

Season 3 Episode 2 - My Brother, My Enemy
Episode aired Sep 21, 1975

Season 3 Episode 2
My Brother, My Enemy
Episode aired Sep 21, 1975
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0621352/

Wheels

So… finished it and I didn’t dislike it even if I found it an exercise in frustration.

Don’t regret watching it but honestly wouldn’t suggest it either.

Like, I understand what they tried to do, and admittedly the ending does give you something back. Still the entire narrative device is flawed, for me.

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Agree it wasn’t without its flaws, but then again I am yet to see a ‘war movie’ that isn’t riddled with inaccuracies… Still, it was better than Fury :face_with_tongue:

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That’s an interesting statement.

Not being sarcastic now, but I did like Fury more than “Der Tiger”.

I am quite certain that most of that comes from the fact I have no experience whatsoever with tanks that doesn’t comes from videogames. As such I can imagine Fury is not realistic but the character development, what they say, and the overall motive makes for a much more… ehrrr… enjoyable*? experience - so the suspension of disbelief that it demands is more manageable from my point of view.

I am slowly discovering that I really do not enjoy seeing war of any kind in TV/series.

Videogames are a different thing but now the topic shifts to something else entirely so… I’ll save it for another post.

*Fury is a very depressing movie, I don’t really enjoy watching it, but I believe all good war movies have to be depressing to a certain degree. The overall reality of war is definitely the most depressing thing on earth.

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Holy mamma mia.

I just finished watching “Glass Onion : a Knives out mistery” and I freaking loved it.

It did a LOT of very smart things. OMFG, I can’t stop thinking about it.

Very different from the first, very very well put together… and the whole pandemic shtick was perfect. Oh gods, can’t wait to see the third now. Brilliant.

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the third is at least as good. I deeply loved it.

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just finished watching it. Literally the credits rolled to an end 20 seconds ago.

Loved it- and the only one that truly moved me.

Goshdarnit it’s a good one. I am wondering if they’ll make a fourth one.

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Now I am going to have too watch them :winking_face_with_tongue:

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The best compliment I can pay to these three movies so far is that despite having an aura of “formula” to them, they are still written in a VERY very different fashion, with each a different gimmick. I’m impressed. One of those trilogy where each movie is just as good, if not better, than the first.

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Another thing is that they’re written smartly, and don’t insult the audiences intelligence like much of Hollywood does these days .

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